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Old Posted Jan 10, 2023, 2:24 PM
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Not directly, no. Former Soviets in the U.S. usually aren't particularly nationalistic towards their former homelands, and Putin isn't really popular. At the same time these neighborhoods are extremely hard-right politically in recent elections, and are huge Trumpist neighborhoods.
it's just a lack of general critical thinking skills. it's the way they were raised to be honest.

a lot of people say they're anti-authoritarian but they actually crave the comfort and predictability of the rules and structures of such regimes. independent thinking, unpredictability, change, abstraction etc are terrifying to a lot of people.

so they gravitate towards authoritarian esque people and politics in complete ignorance of the dissonance.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 10, 2023, 3:31 PM
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it's just a lack of general critical thinking skills. it's the way they were raised to be honest.

a lot of people say they're anti-authoritarian but they actually crave the comfort and predictability of the rules and structures of such regimes. independent thinking, unpredictability, change, abstraction etc are terrifying to a lot of people.

so they gravitate towards authoritarian esque people and politics in complete ignorance of the dissonance.
This is such bull shit.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 10, 2023, 3:45 PM
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Not directly, no. Former Soviets in the U.S. usually aren't particularly nationalistic towards their former homelands, and Putin isn't really popular. At the same time these neighborhoods are extremely hard-right politically in recent elections, and are huge Trumpist neighborhoods.

NY-NJ former Soviets are just a weird outlier, like South Florida Latins. They're aren't similar to the Ultra Orthodox, even if they live in geographic proximity and even if they both currently vote GOP (on a national level, at least). Also, former Soviets aren't all Jews.
There's a social and generational split among global Russian speakers that's somewhat similar to what's going on in the West. Boomer Russian speakers are more likely to be sympathetic to Putin, but people not old enough to remember the Soviet Union tend to not like him. He mostly appeals to social conservatives, hence why some non-Russian American conservatives have also embraced him.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 10, 2023, 4:21 PM
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it's just a lack of general critical thinking skills. it's the way they were raised to be honest.

a lot of people say they're anti-authoritarian but they actually crave the comfort and predictability of the rules and structures of such regimes. independent thinking, unpredictability, change, abstraction etc are terrifying to a lot of people.

so they gravitate towards authoritarian esque people and politics in complete ignorance of the dissonance.
This applies to all political persuasions.

I worked in news during the Bush years and was tasked with covering the likes of Michael Moore, Ralph Nader, etc. The thing I'll never forget about the 2004 campaign was the women in the crowd falling in love with John Edwards, who of course turned out to be a total clown.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 10, 2023, 5:59 PM
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cool assumptions, bro.
Nope, i'm an empiricist and with decades at this site i'm eminently qualified to make observations about the demographics here
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 10, 2023, 6:07 PM
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well, this topic has been discussed enough for the city discussions sub-forum, and is now unsurprisingly devolving into the petty personal/political squabbling of the CE toilet, just like the other 99% of the internet.

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