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Old Posted Jun 11, 2021, 10:48 PM
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^I heard the unbuilt office towers on Carroll and Green are still looking for tenants. SB’s next project will be the first building at Lincoln Yards.

Also speaks to more generally the shift we're seeing underway in Fulton/near-Fulton W Loop areas shifting in composition of new development toward residential. Expect that to continue, if not in a linear fashion as demand in the office market sorts itself out/resets over the next few years.
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2021, 12:15 AM
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You right. However, doesn't it seem like we've seen significantly less 800'+ proposals since the crash of '08? Does it speak to local and national developers being less bullish on the market here, with a majority of proposals being more conservative, blueglass, semi-boring towers in the downtown area? The one place I'm seeing adventurous architecture is the West Loop. Now that I think of it, the current boom in that neighborhood may mean less 800+ footers; sucking up the demand for office and residential?
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no.

i'd say it's 100% the opposite.

chicago has never seen more 800' projects than it is right now.

chicago's 800+ footers have been built in 4 distinct building booms, with one outlier (park tower).
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I spent the 2006 New Year at the top of Jin Mao Tower at about 1,000 feet. The Shanghai World Financial Center was under construction across the street and about our floors height at the time.

Pictures of Shanghai today make Jin Mao seem relatively small, with both SWFC and Shanghai Tower towering over it.

Overall, I'm okay with the pace of Chicago's tower construction. I'd rather end up with a mix of Miami and Paris as much as anything else. There are still a lot of empty lots around.
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Yeah this boom gave us two buildings over 800' (One Chicago and Vista). We may get two more with 400 LSD and Tribune. I certainly would not say we are seeing fewer proposals in this range. Thompson Center site may yield another one, but who knows.

Personally I am glad we are developing solid midrise neighborhoods as well in West Loop/Fulton and River North. It's good for our city to fill up the mile-wide industrial "moat" that once separated the highrise Loop from the lowrise neighborhoods.
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Yeah this boom gave us two buildings over 800' (One Chicago and Vista).
Perhaps a typo on your part, but this cycle has actually given us 6 new towers over 800' tall, the most in any of the city's highrise construction booms, with possibly even more on the way.

chicago's 800+ footers have been built in 4 distinct building booms, with one outlier (park tower):



Chicago towers over 800' tall by construction cycle:


1969-1976: 5
- hancock
- chase
- aon
- sears
- WTP


1989-1990: 4
- franklin center
- 900 N
- 2 Pru
- 311 S


2000: 1
- park tower


2009-2010: 3
- trump
- aqua
- legacy


2019-202?: 6 + 5 proposals
- OBP
- NEMA
- vista
- 110 N
- One Chicago (U/C)
- Salesforce (U/C)

- Tribune east
- 400 LSD 1
- LSE site I
- 1000M
- NEMA 2
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I can remember being in high school, cutting out Trib articles and blurry real estate section renderings for good old Park Tower. Look how far we've come since then.
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^ It was scouring the pre-google internet for info and construction pics of park tower that first led me to "Nalyd's Skyscraperpage" way back in 1998.

What a revelation park tower was after the absolute doldrums of the '90s. That was an excruciatingly boring time to be a scraper fan in Chicago.
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^Yep. I think I started reading SSP around the same time while taking my study hall in the library. The librarian liked me and just let me surf the web for the whole period. Altavista... Netscape... Ahhh, [somewhat] good memories.
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^ It was scouring the pre-google internet for info and construction pics of park tower that first led me to "Nalyd's Skyscraperpage" way back in 1998.

What a revelation park tower was after the absolute doldrums of the '90s. That was an excruciatingly boring time to be a scraper fan in Chicago.
Park Tower was one of the first buildings I really paid attention to. That and BCBS.
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^ It was scouring the pre-google internet for info and construction pics of park tower that first led me to "Nalyd's Skyscraperpage" way back in 1998.

What a revelation park tower was after the absolute doldrums of the '90s. That was an excruciatingly boring time to be a scraper fan in Chicago.
I remember following the construction thread here. It's a shame that thread wasn't archived. At least, I can't seem to find it.
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Park Tower was one of the first buildings I really paid attention to. That and BCBS.
Bourbon County Brand Stout?

j/k, but at least I mentioned a Chicago-brewed beer! Hahaha

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Perhaps a typo on your part, but this cycle has actually given us 6 new towers over 800' tall, the most in any of the city's highrise construction booms, with possibly even more on the way.
Ah yeah in my head I had a 900' threshold for some reason.
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^ Relevant to the discussion. I was looking at this month's Plan Commission presentation for 1000 S. Michigan Ave. Page 7 says that NEMA is 909 ft. Since this is in an official DPD presentation, should the height in the forum be corrected?

Presentation:https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/...esentation.pdf
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^ Relevant to the discussion. I was looking at this month's Plan Commission presentation for 1000 S. Michigan Ave. Page 7 says that NEMA is 909 ft. Since this is in an official DPD presentation, should the height in the forum be corrected?

Presentation:https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/...esentation.pdf
I'm asking someone at CTBUH. I'll post when/if I hear back.
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Old Posted Jun 15, 2021, 5:39 AM
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NEMA Height

The CTBUH website lists the height of NEMA at the tip at 909 feet and architecturally at 896 feet. When I called the CTBUH earlier this year about the 13 foot difference, they said the difference was due to a structure similar to a window washing structure and not counted in the official height of NEMA.
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A new construction building permit was issued yesterday for 345 N Morgan St. This will rise 11 stories...288 feet and feature ground floor retail. All other floors will be office in which I am pretty sure this is mainly for Google.
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A new construction building permit was issued yesterday for 345 N Morgan St. This will rise 11 stories...288 feet and feature ground floor retail. All other floors will be office in which I am pretty sure this is mainly for Google.
The 11 story building that was permitted will be 178 ft. The 288 ft tower will be built across the street: https://neighborsofwestloop.com/311-...-sterling-bay/
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The 11 story building that was permitted will be 178 ft. The 288 ft tower will be built across the street: https://neighborsofwestloop.com/311-...-sterling-bay/
Oops, thanks for the correction. Glad it still qualifies as a high rise
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