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Old Posted Jun 15, 2022, 1:04 PM
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Since there doesn't appear to be a separate thread about it, here is a recent picture of the ongoing work on St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church captured on June 14, 2022.



While work on the base cladding appears to be wrapping up, there has been a prolonged period of work being done on the roof areas and dome. This seems to involve a lot of electrical, lighting and circuitry work, along with work on the inside interior dome (hence why some panels on the dome still appear to be missing). Only recently does it appear that white paneling has been placed on some roof areas once this work has completed (you can see archived pictures of the progress on Earthcam in the Hall of Fame section below the live cam.

At the rate the work is progressing, the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church probably will not be open by July 4, 2022, but maybe instead the 21st anniversary of September 11, 2001 or the end of 2022/early 2023.

In the meantime, in addition to the addition of several bee conservancy sites in Liberty Park added in April 2022, more wildflowers are being planted at Liberty Park in time for the start of the summer.

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Date: April 21, 2022

Press Release Number: 40-2022

Unveiling Event for the New Native Bee Sanctuary Scheduled for 4:30 p.m. on April 27 at Liberty Park

New Native Bee Houses Designed by The Bee Conservancy and Woodworkers from Brooklyn Woods


12 New Species of Perennial Wildflowers to be Planted at Liberty Park to Bolster Native Bee Population



To further the agency’s sustainability and conservation efforts, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey has partnered with The Bee Conservancy to install the conservancy’s first Native Bee Sanctuary at the World Trade Center’s Liberty Park. The sanctuary is dedicated exclusively to fostering ground-and-cavity nesting bees, which will provide important pollination services for wildflowers. An unveiling event for the native bee habitat is scheduled for 4:30 p.m. on April 27 at Liberty Park.

The sanctuary is the first of its kind in creating a home environment dedicated specifically to native bee species as well as the first to be hosted on the WTC campus. Brooklyn Woods, a program of nonprofit Brooklyn Workforce Innovations that trains low-income and underemployed individuals for careers in woodworking, handcrafted the four houses. The houses were hand-built with sustainably sourced wood certified by the Forest Stewardship Council and crafted with other eco-friendly materials. The houses will have a total of 105 tubes that offer three different sizes for nesting to accommodate cavity-dwelling species including Leaf Cutter Bees, Mason Bees and Small Carpenter Bees.

Bees are considered a keystone species, making them essential for healthy ecosystems and the support of human and animal life. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, bees pollinate one in three bites of food that humans eat and 80 percent of the world’s flowering plants. And the U.S Geological Survey reports there are more than 20,000 species of bees around the world, about 4,000 in North America. Due to the impact of habitat loss, chemical pesticides, and climate change, one in four bees are at risk of extinction.

“This agency has a long history of developing and building new and unique projects, and this endeavor certainly has a place on that list,” said Port Authority Chairman Kevin O’Toole. “This exciting addition will complement the 52 plant species in Liberty Park, and with a quarter of bees listed on the endangered species list, this will allow us to provide a habitat for bees on the campus.”

“This installation was made possible through a unique partnership with The Bee Conservancy and expands our ongoing initiatives to support conservation and sustainability efforts across the campus,” said Port Authority Executive Director Rick Cotton. “Climate change is an existential crisis that threatens everything on our planet, including bees which are critical to our survival, and we must act urgently to protect them and our environment.”

"We are thrilled to debut our first Bee Sanctuary dedicated to fostering ground- and cavity-nesting bees at Liberty Park,” said The Bee Conservancy Executive Director Rebecca Louie. “The Port Authority team has been an incredible partner in this endeavor, demonstrating a true commitment to the city's native bee species as well as evolving their horticultural practices to help them thrive. With educational and engaging events planned throughout the year, we at The Bee Conservancy look forward to a fantastic season of habitat creation, buzzy bee activity, and community engagement."

Later in the spring, the Port Authority will introduce 12 new species of perennial wildflowers throughout Liberty Park as part of The Bee Conservancy’s efforts and with additional plant selection guidance from the Battery Park City Authority, which also houses more than 50,000 bees in its Rockefeller Park beehive. The additional plants will complement Battery Park City’s native plantings, creating a pollinator corridor for the wildlife that both pass through and call downtown Manhattan home.


To educate the public more about the issues of bee conservation and biodiversity, The Bee Conservancy will host a series of educational events and activations. These community events will take place at the World Trade Center throughout the spring and summer and will be open to the public.
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This one is OK (but only considering the lighting and time of day clear atmospheric conditions). Still prefer the KPF 5 WTC design.
It is also not realistic. Exposed greenery at building elevation requires a lot of extra maintenance costs. There is already a building being constructed with plants this high up in NYC, and that one had to have special water irrigation pipes integrated into the building itself for each plant zone and all kinds of other things for lighting/wind, to keep those plants alive. As far as I could see, it was a major PITA to keep those plants alive.
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I assume they're not tearing down that church and are building next to it instead.

If this is U/C by next year I'll be thrilled.
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I assume they're not tearing down that church and are building next to it instead.

If this is U/C by next year I'll be thrilled.
Uhh what? You mean St. Nicholas's church?

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Uhh what? You mean St. Nicholas's church?

https://newyorkyimby.com/2022/06/st-...manhattan.html
Yea that one, I don't live in NYC / didn't know what it was.
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Yea that one, I don't live in NYC / didn't know what it was.
Yeah they're still working on it. Definitely not tearing it down.
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Some good footage and pictures of the church here from June 22, 2022 at this link: https://www.northjersey.com/story/ne...pe/9744696002/

From the following sentences in the article, it says that following consecration on July 4, 2022, the church will open to the public in late summer and regular prayer services will begin in the fall.


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On July 4, the resurrected church — the sole house of worship destroyed during 9/11, when the South Tower of the World Trade Center fell during the terrorist attacks — will be consecrated in a ceremony that is expected to draw more than 1,500 faithful from throughout the United States, marking it as a permanent house of prayer.

During the service, holy relics of Saint Nicholas will be sealed within the altar table, and the church doors, walls, and icons will be anointed by the bishop.

The consecration is being held on July 4th because the shrine will forever be tied to the birth of America, which was built on the foundation of respect for all religious traditions, said Rev. Andreas Vithoulkas, the Protopresbyter of the Ecumenical Throne of Saint Nicholas National Shrine.

Saint Nicholas, the only house of worship at Ground Zero, will officially open to the public later this summer and will welcome people of all backgrounds. Regular prayer services will commence in the fall.

The last major event at the church was the opening of the doors ceremony (Thyranoixia) on November 2, 2021 https://www.goarch.org/-/2021-11-02-thyranoixia
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Yea that one, I don't live in NYC / didn't know what it was.
I don’t live there either. The original church was destroyed on September 11, 2001. This church is the replacement.
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https://www.thecity.nyc/2022/7/19/23...rdable-housing

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State OKs Zoning Override for WTC Megatower — and Warns of Mega Price Tag for 100% Affordable Housing Demand
Approvals set in motion final piece of the new World Trade Center but stick with making 25% of apartments affordable, infuriating activists who’ve urged more.

By Gabriel Poblete Jul 19, 2022

The state-controlled board in charge of the World Trade Center site on Tuesday approved an override of city zoning rules in order to build a tower bigger than local regulations allow, including a proposed 1,200 apartments.

But as it formally embarks on a public review process for 5WTC, the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation’s board of directors is sticking with an earlier commitment it made to set aside 25% of apartments as affordable — despite demands from local activists and candidates for Congress to make the project 100% affordable.

The state’s current plan for 5WTC would include units reserved for families earning between 40% and 80% of the area median income, or AMI, a federal affordable housing guideline. That means a three-person household earning between $48,040 and $96,080 could apply for future rental apartments in the Lower Manhattan tower.

State officials at the hearing chilled the climate for the affordability activists by putting a price tag on the 100%-affordable proposal: more than $900 million in public subsidy, far higher than previous projections.


The LMDC, a subsidiary of the state agency Empire State Development Corporation (ESD), proposes to lease the 5WTC site — formerly home to the Deutsche Bank building — to Brookfield Properties and Silverstein Properties, for the construction of 1.345 million square feet of office, retail, housing and community space.

The development site is the last major piece of land in the World Trade Center area to be redeveloped since the Sept. 11 attacks. And 5WTC is the very last item of business for the LMDC, which will cease operations once the real estate deal is done, a representative said Tuesday.

The ESD directors must also approve the amendments, which are on their agenda for Thursday — along with a proposal to spur new towers ringing Penn Station in Midtown. Under the 1968 Urban Development Corporation Act, the state agency has the power to move ahead with projects like Penn and 5WTC without going through typical city reviews.

ESD representative Tobi Jaiyesimi said at Tuesday’s meeting that the 5WTC site is valued at $249 million and total development for the 900-foot tower would cost $1.2 billion.

She said that to make 40% of the housing affordable would require $415 million in tax subsidies, and more than $900 million for a 100% affordable project.


Locals and advocates, some still suffering from 9/11 health-related issues, have been pushing for the project at 130 Liberty St. to be completely affordable and for some of the units to be allocated to survivors of the attack and their families. Last fall, advocates formed the Coalition for a 100% Affordable 5WTC to push for the tower to be affordable.

The coalition has since gained attention from candidates running for Congress in the newly drawn 10th District, which includes the World Trade Center — including ex-prosecutor Daniel Goldman, Rep. Mondaire Jones (D-Westchester/Rockland) and Assemblymembers Yuh-Line Niou and Jo Anne Simon, Gothamist reported.

The next representative of the 10th District could push for a larger federal subsidy toward the project, which could result in a larger share of affordable housing units.

”I think everybody knows this is wrong,” Todd Fine, one of the coalition’s committee members, told THE CITY of the 25% affordable housing commitment. “It’s just a question of whether the governor will have the moxie, the courage, to do the right thing.”

A spokesperson for Gov. Kathy Hochul said in a statement to THE CITY that the governor “is committed to continuing to take bold action to protect tenants and help solve the housing affordability crisis – not just in one neighborhood or one building, but across the state, and we are monitoring the development of this project in that context.”


The 300 subsidized units at 5WTC would significantly boost affordable housing construction in the neighborhood, where just 149 units of income-restricted housing have been built since 2014, according to a map from the city’s housing agency that tracks the production of affordable housing.

LMDC purchased Site 5, the former location of the Deutsche Bank Building, with HUD funds back in 2004, taking on the demolition that lasted a decade, led to the death of two firefighters and cost $160 million.

Since then, LMDC and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey came to an agreement in which the PANYNJ provided parcels at the center of the World Trade Center campus, including the original towers’ footprints, to the 9/11 Memorial & Museum and Performing Arts Center in exchange for 5WTC and adjacent parcels. After the site is built out, most of the revenue from the property will go to the Port Authority.

ESD will pay rent to the Authority, $1.345 million annually during construction and a minimum of $12.5 million a year after that. Excess revenue will be shared, with 75% going to ESD and the remainder going to Port Authority.

The affordable housing coalition has argued that because it’s public land — especially in a desirable location where there is virtually no real estate up for grabs — the state should prioritize a full-on affordable project.

”We don’t believe this agreement is appropriate. We believe there should still be contemplation about this project,” Fine said. ”Nobody wants luxury housing on public land.”

Mariama James, a member of the coalition steering committee, said that since the 9/11 attacks, the area has only gotten more inaccessible for working-class New Yorkers and people of color, saying that “75% luxury means more rich and more white.”

She said a Pratt Institute professor is conducting a feasibility study on the possibility of fully affordable 5WTC, funded by a grant from ​​the New York Community Trust.

Building a project with a larger share of affordable housing without more public subsidies could be a nonstarter for developers. The current affordable housing allocation offered at 5WTC is similar to the city’s mandatory inclusionary housing program, which requires between 20% and 30% of a new development’s units to be restricted to households earning certain incomes.

The developers told the New York Times last October that to pull off a 100% affordable building would require an additional $500 million in government subsidy, saying that with that money about four times as many affordable units could be built in a less expensive market.

At a Manhattan Community Board 1 Land Use Committee meeting last week and again at Tuesday’s LMDC meeting, Jaiyesimi of ESD said that the affordable housing commitment could still increase in the coming months as the state agency embarks on a public hearing in the fall followed by a 30-day public comment period.

“It’s important to reiterate that this action is the start of the process for the proposed project, which provides a minimum of 25% affordable units, but does not preclude increasing the affordability threshold at the project,” she said at Tuesday’s meeting.


James countered that Tuesday’s zoning override and other approvals amount to a working agreement between the developers and LMDC, making it harder for an alternative option to be truly considered.

”Yes, it says there is room for affordability to be increased, but it also says they’re entering into an agreement with the developer, so you’re limiting,” she said.
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Public review process for 5 WTC will reach into Fall 2022 according to this article https://web.archive.org/web/20220720...d-trade-center


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Overall, redevelopment of the World Trade Center, which is owned by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, is nearly complete. Six towers have been planned there, and four of them are finished, leaving only construction at 2 World Trade Center and 5 World Trade Center to be tied up.

But the project has not finished going through a public review process. A public hearing is scheduled for the fall, at which critics of the project will likely call for an increase in affordable housing, especially because it is on publicly owned land.
Recent article on St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church says the church is still on track to open in late Summer 2022/early Fall 2022 https://tribecacitizen.com/2022/07/2...n-this-summer/

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The Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church and National Shrine at the World Trade Center was consecrated on July 4 and will be open to the public later this summer. In the meantime, monks from Mount Athos in Greece still need to finish the iconographic program — the painted imagery — inside the church.In the meantime, monks from Mount Athos in Greece still need to finish the iconographic program — the painted imagery — inside the church.
Video of consecration on July 4, 2022

Audio tours of the church might soon be offered https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news...troyed-on-911/
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Advocates demand 100% affordable housing at WTC


By Lori Chung
Aug. 16, 2022


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A group of lower Manhattan residents are demanding a 100% affordable housing project at Site Five, billed as the future home of 5 World Trade Center.

“We want people to be able to stay in the neighborhood that they built,” said resident Mariama James, a member of Coalition for 100% Affordable 5 WTC. “It’s really disturbing to me to see the lack of diversity, and the fact that it’s increasing."

The coalition is pushing against the current development plan for the site, which was once the former Deutsche Bank building. A proposal calls for a 900-foot mixed-use tower with 1,325 rental units, 25% of them affordable.
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Coalition member Jill Goodkind said her late husband had been a longtime champion of affordability at the site. She said 25% is not enough.

“He chaired the Affordable Housing Task Force for Community Board 1, and he put out several reports, all of which included advocating to make this site 100% affordable," Goodkind said. "It’s been needed from the beginning."

The coalition is also proposing that 9/11 first responders and those directly affected by the Sept. 11 attacks be given priority for the units.

“It will be the only building that will have residential units in it, so everything else has commercial space” said Marty Burger, who is CEO of Silverstein Properties and part of the lead development team. He said their proposal was created with affordable housing in mind.

“We wanted to be resnsible, and we saw how much affordable housing was already in Community Board 1, and it wasn’t a lot," Burger said. "Our program is going to add a third of the affordable housing units that [are] already in the community over the last 20 years.”

Burger also pointed out that their plan doesn’t call for subsidies.

“We’re asking no dollars from anybody," Burger said. "To add to that affordability, we would have to get more subsidy, and really the state, federal government, local, they’re not handing out dollars."

The coalition says they have a feasibility study that shows that it can be done.

“It could do it without exhausting state subsidy flows, without diverting funding from city public housing," Goodkind said.
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And such things aren’t worth the the dignity of a response, anyhow.
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This is the first time someone from someone in charge of development (Marty Burger of Silversetin Properties) is weighing in. It will be interesting to see whether he makes more public statements from this time forth.

There is also the bit about local leaders running that will try to campaign on this issue. So even if people here aren't enthusiastic about these challenges, many NYC politicians will be indulging them.

Those claiming the need for 100% affordable units are saying priority will be given to 9/11 first responders. But how many of these first responders actually would want to live right near the site knowing and seeing the carnage that occurred? Why would anyone want to live near that site after having seen all these scenes of death and destruction when participating in the recovery and rescue and then later even coming down with various illnesses? The excuse of more affordable units to give priority place for first responders seems like just that: an excuse, with the real motivation being politicization for personal enrichment and trying to insert social justice themes into a commercial development project.

Another thing: they say there is need for 100% affordability on public land, but this is a building with the WTC name sake on it. They seem to want to make such a building consist of Section 8, 'affordable' housing, but such an accommodation would be completely at odds with the WTC brand. For them to claim luxury housing units in 5 WTC is ridiculous doesn't even make sense when considering this.

What's more, those demanding 100% affordable units are claiming they want a total redesign, which will push back the start of construction if things have to go back to the drawing board.

But this is New York, and so there's going to be a lot of delays and arguments, including introduction of controversy and politicization of processes that could be a lot more straightforward.

One last thing: these people claiming they aren't being listened to aren't necessarily listening to others that aren't so enthusiastic about their alternate proposals. You can see one of them here in the comments section shouting done those that are skeptical and labeling them trolls https://thevillagesun.com/dan-goldma...sibility-study. Ironic.

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the World Trade Center District will be nothing to scoff at on the world stage when it comes to skylines

3x supertalls (1, 2 3 WTC)
3x 900 footers (4, 5 WTC, 125 Greenwich)

Now, just get it all done.
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If not for the height restriction, we would probably get a better design. Residential towers can be less bulky, and give a more interesting peak on the skyline. But here we are, and it can’t top 4 WTC.



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If not for the height restriction, we would probably get a better design. Residential towers can be less bulky, and give a more interesting peak on the skyline. But here we are, and it can’t top 4 WTC.



I doubt it, seeing from what most of the redesigns have looked like: https://thevillagesun.com/julia-fox-...d-trade-center.

It also makes sense for 5 WTC to be less tall than 4 WTC to complete the upward height spiral from 5 WTC to 1 WTC.
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I doubt it, seeing from what most of the redesigns have looked like: https://thevillagesun.com/julia-fox-...d-trade-center.

It also makes sense for 5 WTC to be less tall than 4 WTC to complete the upward height spiral from 5 WTC to 1 WTC.
I can't tell if you're joking or not. Those weren't real redesigns dude.
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