HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > City Discussions


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #121  
Old Posted Jun 28, 2021, 10:46 PM
Marshal Marshal is offline
perhaps . . .
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 1,435
One.
There is a longstanding thread of thought concerning Toronto's identity and 'US Americanism.' Regardless of this, Torontonians do not consider themselves, nor wish to be Americans. At best, they like the idea that they somehow possess the American (really the New York) spirit .

Two.
No Canadians refer to themselves in any way as "Americans." At best, they will use "North American" in a technical/geographic sense. wwmiv's post regarding this is pure fiction.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #122  
Old Posted Jun 28, 2021, 11:00 PM
mhays mhays is offline
Never Dell
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 19,087
If you're referring to his post on Page 5, it doesn't suggest otherwise. Just that "America" has a bunch of meanings, some of which he outlines.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #123  
Old Posted Jun 28, 2021, 11:25 PM
Doady's Avatar
Doady Doady is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 4,160
I think it would be most correct to refer to people of the US as "United States Americans" or "US Americans". Actual "American" is more analogous to "Asian" or "European", e.g. "Native American". And yes, people in Canada, including Toronto, do often refer to indigenous people as "Native Americans".
__________________
Disenchanted and connecting
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #124  
Old Posted Jun 29, 2021, 12:08 AM
wwmiv wwmiv is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Austin -> San Antonio -> Columbia -> San Antonio -> Chicago -> Austin -> Denver
Posts: 4,490
Quote:
Originally Posted by mhays View Post
If you're referring to his post on Page 5, it doesn't suggest otherwise. Just that "America" has a bunch of meanings, some of which he outlines.
Thank you. Many people use American in many different ways. Perhaps I did not say it explicitly enough, but referring to yourself as “North American” is part and parcel consistent with the spirit and motivation of my post; it is one of those varieties of the usage of the word “American.”

Shrugs.
__________________
HTOWN: 2305k (+10%) + MSA suburbs: 4818k (+26%) + CSA exurbs: 190k (+6%)
BIGD: 1304k (+9%) + MSA div. suburbs: 3826k (+26%) + adj. CSA exurbs: 394k (+8%)
FTW: 919k (+24%) + MSA div. suburbs: 1589k (+14%) + adj. CSA exurbs: 90k (+12%)
SATX: 1435k (+8%) + MSA suburbs: 1124k (+38%) + CSA exurbs: 18k (+11%)
ATX: 962k (+22%) + MSA suburbs: 1322k (+43%)
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #125  
Old Posted Jun 29, 2021, 12:16 AM
Acajack's Avatar
Acajack Acajack is online now
Unapologetic Occidental
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Province 2, Canadian Empire
Posts: 59,064
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doady View Post
I think it would be most correct to refer to people of the US as "United States Americans" or "US Americans". Actual "American" is more analogous to "Asian" or "European", e.g. "Native American". And yes, people in Canada, including Toronto, do often refer to indigenous people as "Native Americans".
Equivalent words for this already exist in Spanish (Estadounidense) and French (Étatsunien).
__________________
Désolé de vous déranger.
(Sorry for making you deranged.)
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #126  
Old Posted Jun 29, 2021, 12:25 AM
Acajack's Avatar
Acajack Acajack is online now
Unapologetic Occidental
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Province 2, Canadian Empire
Posts: 59,064
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doady View Post
And yes, people in Canada, including Toronto, do often refer to indigenous people as "Native Americans".
I know, but that's just Americanization from media and pop culture, though.

Referring to Indigenous people in Canada as "Native Americans" actually makes no sense.
__________________
Désolé de vous déranger.
(Sorry for making you deranged.)
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #127  
Old Posted Jun 29, 2021, 1:47 AM
iheartthed iheartthed is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: New York
Posts: 7,056
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acajack View Post
I know, but that's just Americanization from media and pop culture, though.

Referring to Indigenous people in Canada as "Native Americans" actually makes no sense.
At least they don't call them indians (or do they?).
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #128  
Old Posted Jun 29, 2021, 2:03 AM
Acajack's Avatar
Acajack Acajack is online now
Unapologetic Occidental
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Province 2, Canadian Empire
Posts: 59,064
Quote:
Originally Posted by iheartthed View Post
At least they don't call them indians (or do they?).
Not really, although...

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/i-5/
__________________
Désolé de vous déranger.
(Sorry for making you deranged.)
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #129  
Old Posted Jun 29, 2021, 3:39 AM
shappy's Avatar
shappy shappy is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 2,177
Ok, Torontonians don't want to be part of the US - this isn't a thing. But, in my opinion, they do want recognition through US media, movies, sports, etc.

Rob Ford was a pretty terrible mayor... way in over his head, clearly plagued by mental health issues, addiction, etc. But you can't tell me we didn't get a kick out of hearing "Toronto" being constantly mentioned by Kimmel and others. This is a pretty fucking awesome city, easily top 5-10 in NA and until only a few years ago, was barely mentioned at all. Even London loves being stroked by the US media machine. Anyway, tired ridiculous argument and a lot of pretty dumb comments above.
__________________
Yolo
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #130  
Old Posted Jun 29, 2021, 3:49 AM
Steely Dan's Avatar
Steely Dan Steely Dan is offline
devout Pizzatarian
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Lincoln Square, Chicago
Posts: 26,635
"please, please, please acknowledge and love us for how awesome and wonderful we are!

But don't you ever fucking dare think that we're somehow part of your awful and wicked society!"


__________________
"every time a strip mall dies, an angel gets its wings"

Last edited by Steely Dan; Jun 29, 2021 at 4:00 AM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #131  
Old Posted Jun 29, 2021, 4:03 AM
shappy's Avatar
shappy shappy is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 2,177
Haha, you got it!

(Ah no, I think it's more that we just don't want to sit at the kids table anymore).
__________________
Yolo
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #132  
Old Posted Jun 29, 2021, 4:16 AM
Steely Dan's Avatar
Steely Dan Steely Dan is offline
devout Pizzatarian
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Lincoln Square, Chicago
Posts: 26,635
^ speaking as an American, from our perspective, Canada will always be the kids table, for better or worse.

You don't become the most navel-gazing society in the history of our species by recognizing things beyond your borders.
__________________
"every time a strip mall dies, an angel gets its wings"

Last edited by Steely Dan; Jun 29, 2021 at 4:40 AM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #133  
Old Posted Jun 29, 2021, 6:26 AM
kool maudit's Avatar
kool maudit kool maudit is offline
video et taceo
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Stockholm
Posts: 12,875
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #134  
Old Posted Jun 29, 2021, 12:28 PM
Centropolis's Avatar
Centropolis Centropolis is offline
disneypilled verhoevenist
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: crystal pepsi tesseract
Posts: 11,686
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steely Dan View Post
^ speaking as an American, from our perspective, Canada will always be the kids table, for better or worse.

You don't become the most navel-gazing society in the history of our species by recognizing things beyond your borders.
cancun
__________________
You may Think you are vaccinated but are you Maxx-Vaxxed ™!? Find out how you can “Maxx” your Covid-36 Vaxxination today!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #135  
Old Posted Jun 29, 2021, 3:06 PM
Acajack's Avatar
Acajack Acajack is online now
Unapologetic Occidental
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Province 2, Canadian Empire
Posts: 59,064
Quote:
Originally Posted by Centropolis View Post
cancun


Even so, the Cancun Americans engage with in 99% is basically just a transposition of US culture onto Mexican soil.

Similarly, Paris is quite popular with Americans as well (for different reasons) but an American's Paris isn't the same as a French person's Paris.

The real Paris isn't French Kiss, Midnight in Paris or Emily in Paris, or even Gershwin's "An American in Paris".

I am not saying this to bash on Americans exclusively BTW, as all nationalities do this to some degree. (You don't want to hear me on Québécois in Cuba or the Dominican Republic.) But the level of visitor immersion in local culture does vary, and Americans tend to be on the "low immersion" side.
__________________
Désolé de vous déranger.
(Sorry for making you deranged.)
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #136  
Old Posted Jun 29, 2021, 3:10 PM
Steely Dan's Avatar
Steely Dan Steely Dan is offline
devout Pizzatarian
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Lincoln Square, Chicago
Posts: 26,635
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acajack View Post
Even so, the Cancun Americans engage with in 99% is basically just a transposition of US culture onto Mexican soil.
pretty much.

cancun is just a florida beach resort with better tacos.
__________________
"every time a strip mall dies, an angel gets its wings"

Last edited by Steely Dan; Jun 29, 2021 at 4:23 PM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #137  
Old Posted Jun 29, 2021, 3:22 PM
iheartthed iheartthed is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: New York
Posts: 7,056
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acajack View Post


Even so, the Cancun Americans engage with in 99% is basically just a transposition of US culture onto Mexican soil.

Similarly, Paris is quite popular with Americans as well (for different reasons) but an American's Paris isn't the same as a French person's Paris.

The real Paris isn't French Kiss, Midnight in Paris or Emily in Paris, or even Gershwin's "An American in Paris".

I am not saying this to bash on Americans exclusively BTW, as all nationalities do this to some degree. (You don't want to hear me on Québécois in Cuba or the Dominican Republic.) But the level of visitor immersion in local culture does vary, and Americans tend to be on the "low immersion" side.
This is accurate. And I actually hate traveling with those types of people.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #138  
Old Posted Jun 29, 2021, 5:48 PM
3rd&Brown 3rd&Brown is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,552
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acajack View Post
I know, but that's just Americanization from media and pop culture, though.

Referring to Indigenous people in Canada as "Native Americans" actually makes no sense.
Why not? In South America, students are taught that North and South America are one continent simply called America.

Culturally, they think of themselves as new world (largely immigrant populations account for much of South America's populace in the same was as they do in North America).

It's actually very insulting to tell someone in Argentina, Chile, or Brazil that you're "American". If you do so, they'll very often say something like, "yo tambien". i.e. "Me too".

So through that lense, you could make the argument calling someone "Native American" is to merely differentiate between indigenous people and immigrants, generically, across the continent.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #139  
Old Posted Jun 29, 2021, 8:03 PM
Acajack's Avatar
Acajack Acajack is online now
Unapologetic Occidental
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Province 2, Canadian Empire
Posts: 59,064
Quote:
Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown View Post
Why not? In South America, students are taught that North and South America are one continent simply called America.

Culturally, they think of themselves as new world (largely immigrant populations account for much of South America's populace in the same was as they do in North America).

It's actually very insulting to tell someone in Argentina, Chile, or Brazil that you're "American". If you do so, they'll very often say something like, "yo tambien". i.e. "Me too".

So through that lense, you could make the argument calling someone "Native American" is to merely differentiate between indigenous people and immigrants, generically, across the continent.
Yeah, I know that.

My issue isn't so much with the use of the word "American", but rather the term "Native American" which is a US-invented term to describe Indigenous people in that country. Like most terms invented to describe these people, it's an awkward kludge at best. The Canadian-invented terms or terms used in other languages like Spanish, French or Portuguese aren't necessarily any less awkward, but at least they are rooted in the reality and history of their countries.

When I hear a Canadian say that such and such a person is "Native American" from the Tsawwassen reserve in BC or the Saugeen reserve in Ontario, my first thought is always that the speaker has been watching too much American TV.
__________________
Désolé de vous déranger.
(Sorry for making you deranged.)
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #140  
Old Posted Jun 29, 2021, 8:11 PM
Camelback Camelback is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Feb 2021
Posts: 1,231
Quote:
Originally Posted by Camelback View Post
Who is building the most?

Easy check: which city gained the most in population over X amount of years.
Top 15 metros, ranked by population. The percentage is the population change from 2010 to 2020.

New York City -- +1.20%
Los Angeles -- +2.19%
Chicago -- −0.58%
Dallas -- +20.85%
Houston -- +20.84%
Washington -- +11.95%
Miami -- +10.93%
Philadelphia -- +2.39%
Atlanta -- +15.15%
Phoenix -- +20.68%
Boston -- +7.16%
San Francisco -- +8.34%
Riverside -- +10.73%
Detroit -- +0.18%
Seattle -- +16.83%

Red = Under 2% growth
Magenta = 2% - 9.99% growth
Blue = 10% - 19.99%
Green = 20%+

The high growth metros are "building the most".
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > City Discussions
Forum Jump


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:36 AM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.