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Old Posted Nov 21, 2022, 10:14 PM
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Florida has to be the worst on a per-capita basis. Here are the ranking for Florida's only "National Universities" ranked in the top 200. I wonder what happened to Miami's rankings? Miami used to rank in the 30's nationally a few years ago. The Boston area alone has far more nationally ranked universities but then again, the Florida schools (other than Miami) area all huge. Giant public schools rather than many small private elite schools.
#29. University of Florida
#55. University of Miami
#55. Florida State University
#97. University of South Florida
#137. University of Central Florida
#151. Florida International University
Nothing happened to Miami, aside from becoming an even better university overall. I mean, do we really think Miami somehow just all of a sudden shit the bed and plummeted from being ranked in the 30s to now out of the Top 50?

U of Florida just miraculously rose from the 70s to the top 30 in a few years??

Columbia was #2 last year and now well, they're just an also-ran because they said they reported faulty data to USNWR based on "outdated and/or incorrect methodologies". Yeah, so Columbia... not top 3 no more! Havew fun being a fall-back now, Columbia!

USNWR is a crap list, and it always has been. It was started to sell a bumper crop of magazines and now to get clicks.
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2022, 10:15 PM
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I think the relative lack of educated people/universities and industries that attract highly-educated workers in Florida contributes to the R trend of the state.
More like people with money moving there.
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Florida's lean to the right is due to disengagement by the Dem base there.
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Metro areas of 1M+ that are the "most important" centers of higher education (according to me):


Tier 1
Boston
Chicago
Los Angeles
New York
Philadelphia
Raleigh-Durham
San Francisco
Washington DC-Baltimore

Tier 2
Atlanta
Detroit
Houston
Pittsburgh

Tier 3
Austin
Buffalo
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Columbus
Dallas-Fort Worth
Denver
Miami
Minneapolis
Nashville
New Orleans
Rochester
Seattle
St. Louis

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Philadelphia is also heavy hitter. I'm not sure how I'd rank any particular metro after Boston, but Philadelphia would be close to the top of the list.
I mean it's probably #2 but all these people can keep running their mouths about LA and Atlanta, etc etc.
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folks, the US News' world university ranking is very different from it's domestic undergrad ranking...

US News World University Ranking, 2022-2023
Top 100

1 Harvard University
2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
3 Stanford University
4 University of California, Berkeley
5 University of Oxford
6 University of Washington, Seattle
7 Columbia University
8 University of Cambridge
9 California Institute of Technology
10 Johns Hopkins University
11 Yale University
12 University College London
13 Imperical College London
14 University of California, Los Angeles
15 University of Pennsylvania
16-tie Princeton University
16-tie University of California, San Francisco
18 University of Toronto
19 University of Michigan
20 University of California, San Diego
21 Cornell University
22 University of Chicago
23 Tsinghua University Beijing
24 Northwestern University
25 Duke University
26 National University of Singapore
27 University of Melbourne
28 University of Sydney
29 ETH Zurich
30 Nanyang Technological University, Singapore
31 New York University
32 Washington University of St Louis
33 King's College London
34 University of Edinburgh
35 University of British Columbia
36 University of Queensland, Brisbane
37 Monash University
38 University of New South Wales, Sydney
39-tie Peking University, Beijing
39-tie University of Amsterdam
41 University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
42 University of Copenhagen
43 University of Texas, Austin
44 Utrecht University
45 University of Pittsburgh
46 Icahn School of Medicine at Mt Sinai, New York
47 Unversity of Munich
48-tie Sorbonne Universite
48-tie Universite de Paris
50 KU Leuven
51-tie Georgia Institute of Technology
51-tie Karolinska Instituet
53 Chinese University of Hong Kong
54 McGill University
55-tie The Ohio State University
55-tie University of Hong Kong
57-tie Ruptrecht Karls University, Heidelberg
57-tie University of Maryland, College Park
57-tie University of Minnesota, Twin Cities
60 Universite Paris Saclay
61 Humboldt University of Berline
62 Australian National University
63 University of Manchester
64 University of Wisconsin, Madison
65 Erasmus University, Rotterdam
66 King Abdulaziz University
67-tie University of California, Santa Barbara
67-tie University of Zurich
69 Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne
70-tie Boston University
70-tie University of Colorado, Boulder
72 Emory University
73 University of California, Davis
74-tie Leiden University
74-tie University of Adelaide
74-tie University of Glasgow
74-tie University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
78 Vanderbilt University
79 Technical University of Munich
80 University of Southern California
81 University of Tokyo
82 Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam
83 University of Western Australia
84-tie Pennsylvania State University, University Park
84-tie University of California, Irvine
86 University of Barcelona
87 Free University of Berlin
88 University ofg Groningen
89-tie Shanhai Jiao Tong University
89-tie University of Birmingham
89-tie University of Oslo
89-tie Wageningen University & Research
93-tie University of Bristol
93-tie Zhejiang University
95-tie Ghent University
95-tie Hong Kong University of Science & Technology
95-tie King Abdullah University of Science & Technology
98 University of Florida, Gainesville
99 University of Helsinki
100-tie Hong Kong Polytechnic University
100-tie Queen Mary University London

US universities ranked 101-200:
103 Rockefeller University
105 University of California, Santa Cruz
108 University of Arizona
116 Michigan State University
118 Carnegie Mellon University
119 University of Michgan
133 University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Dallas
136 Baylor College of Medicine
140 Purdue University, West Lafayette
143 Rutgers State University, New Brunswick
148 Texas A&M University, College Station
152-tie Case Western Reserve University
152-tie Indiana University, Bloomington
156 Arizona State University, Tempe
160-tie University of Alabama, Birmingham
160-tie University of Massachusetts, Amherst
165 Oregon Health & Science University
167 University of Utah
170 University of Rochester
174 University of Colorad Anschutz Medial Campus
180-tie Rice University
180-tie University of Iowa
186 University of California, Riverside
194 Northeastern University

https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...ities/rankings
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More like people with money moving there.
Yes, there's a "sorting" of retirees: conservative retirees are moving to Florida, liberal retirees are avoiding it.

Of the other retirement destination states, in South Carolina white retirees from the north are less R than native SC whites. But that's offset by the Black population is declining as a share of the state population. So no change.

I do wonder if the pull of Florida is contributing to a D trend in Arizona.
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Florida has to be the worst on a per-capita basis. Here are the ranking for Florida's only "National Universities" ranked in the top 200. I wonder what happened to Miami's rankings? Miami used to rank in the 30's nationally a few years ago. The Boston area alone has far more nationally ranked universities but then again, the Florida schools (other than Miami) area all huge. Giant public schools rather than many small private elite schools.
#29. University of Florida
#55. University of Miami
#55. Florida State University
#97. University of South Florida
#137. University of Central Florida
#151. Florida International University
Texas doesn't do so well either per capita, though both Texas and Florida have significant NASA presence.
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Metro areas of 1M+ that are the "most important" centers of higher education (according to me):


Tier 1
Boston
Chicago
Los Angeles
New York
Philadelphia
Raleigh-Durham
San Francisco
Washington DC-Baltimore

Tier 2
Atlanta
Detroit
Houston
Pittsburgh

Tier 3
Austin
Buffalo
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Columbus
Dallas-Fort Worth
Miami
Minneapolis
Nashville
New Orleans
Rochester
Seattle
St. Louis
I agree on Tier 1 (with Raleigh-Durham being the last one in).

I'd put Denver in Tier 3 as well and might argue for Cleveland/STL going to Tier 2 (at least, if Houston/Detroit get to be in Tier 2...).
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Here's a look at Ivy league alum.

Ivy League Universities by Top 4 Cities With the Highest Concentration of Alumni:

Brown
1 New York
2 Providence
3 Boston
4 San Francisco

Dartmouth
1 New York
2 Boston
3 San Francisco
4 Washington DC

Princeton
1 New York
2 Washington DC
3 San Francisco
4 Boston

Cornell
1 New York
2 San Francisco
3 Washington DC
4 Boston

Yale
1 New York
2 Washington DC
3 San Francisco
4 Boston

Columbia
1 New York
2 Washington DC
3 San Francisco
4 Los Angeles

Pennsylvania
1 Philadelphia
2 New York
3 San Francisco
4 Washington DC

Harvard
1 Boston
2 New York
3 San Francisco
4 Washington DC

https://www.businessinsider.com/most...e-grads-2018-8
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I agree on Tier 1 (with Raleigh-Durham being the last one in).

I'd put Denver in Tier 3 as well and might argue for Cleveland/STL going to Tier 2 (at least, if Houston/Detroit get to be in Tier 2...).
Yeah... I went back and forth on Denver, and it was the last one off. Now that I think about it more, it should be in there... I was totally forgetting about CO School of Mines.

A case can definitely be made for Cleveland and St. Louis in tier 2... I was wavering on bumping both of them up. (I'm considering U of Michigan for Detroit, so that's why Detroit makes it. Houston has Rice obviously, but also UH -- which is enormous, two HBCUs, 3 medical schools, Sam Houston State nearby, A&M not all that far away either. Not sure Cleveland and St. Louis can quite match that... totally subjective on my part though... maybe if they had a major public research university as well?)
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Yeah... I went back and forth on Denver, and it was the last one off. Now that I think about it more, it should be in there... I was totally forgetting about CO School of Mines.

A case can definitely be made for Cleveland and St. Louis in tier 2... I was wavering on bumping both of them up. (I'm considering U of Michigan for Detroit, so that's why Detroit makes it. Houston has Rice obviously, but also UH -- which is enormous, two HBCUs, 3 medical schools, Sam Houston State nearby, A&M not all that far away either. Not sure Cleveland and St. Louis can quite match that... totally subjective on my part though... maybe if they had a major public research university as well?)
Houston and TAMU are pretty much at the threshold distance wise but do have a strong connection. They are about 95 miles apart from university to downtown Houston. TAMU did recently open up a bioengineering school in Houston.
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Tier 1
Boston
Chicago
Los Angeles
New York
Philadelphia
Raleigh-Durham
San Francisco
Washington DC-Baltimore


Hmmmmmmm........

All 7 of the "big urban 7".

Any connection?


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Metro areas of 1M+ that are the "most important" centers of higher education (according to me):


Tier 1
Boston
Chicago
Los Angeles
New York
Philadelphia
Raleigh-Durham
San Francisco
Washington DC-Baltimore

Tier 2
Atlanta
Detroit
Houston
Pittsburgh

Tier 3
Austin
Buffalo
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Columbus
Dallas-Fort Worth
Denver
Miami
Minneapolis
Nashville
New Orleans
Rochester
Seattle
St. Louis
Seems like a pretty sound list although it’s really Boston - Tier 1 - and then the list starts at tier 2.
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Seems like a pretty sound list although it’s really Boston - Tier 1 - and then the list starts at tier 2.
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Yeah... I went back and forth on Denver, and it was the last one off. Now that I think about it more, it should be in there... I was totally forgetting about CO School of Mines.

A case can definitely be made for Cleveland and St. Louis in tier 2... I was wavering on bumping both of them up. (I'm considering U of Michigan for Detroit, so that's why Detroit makes it. Houston has Rice obviously, but also UH -- which is enormous, two HBCUs, 3 medical schools, Sam Houston State nearby, A&M not all that far away either. Not sure Cleveland and St. Louis can quite match that... totally subjective on my part though... maybe if they had a major public research university as well?)
Yeah, I'd argue that WashU is enough for STL and Case-Western + Cleveland Clinic is enough for Cleveland, though they have a bunch of less notable schools as well (SLU, SIU-E, UMSL, Harriet-Stowe for STL; Cleveland State, Oberlin for Cleveland, and also NASA Glenn). But this could be some field bias on my part...
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I'd take out Raleigh-Durham. Yeah, Duke is outstanding and UNC is very good, but Duke draws mostly from other parts of the country/planet, and the grads mostly leave. UNC and NC State are probably really powering the regional eds and meds, and I don't see that pair as particularly more important as other strong state college pairs in relative proximity.
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Metro areas of 1M+ that are the "most important" centers of higher education (according to me):


Tier 1
Boston
Chicago
Los Angeles
New York
Philadelphia
Raleigh-Durham
San Francisco
Washington DC-Baltimore

Tier 2
Atlanta
Detroit
Houston
Pittsburgh

Tier 3
Austin
Buffalo
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Columbus
Dallas-Fort Worth
Denver
Miami
Minneapolis
Nashville
New Orleans
Rochester
Seattle
St. Louis
If this is based on academic research I would bump Detroit and Pittsburgh to Tier 1 as well.
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Yeah... I went back and forth on Denver, and it was the last one off. Now that I think about it more, it should be in there... I was totally forgetting about CO School of Mines.

A case can definitely be made for Cleveland and St. Louis in tier 2... I was wavering on bumping both of them up. (I'm considering U of Michigan for Detroit, so that's why Detroit makes it. Houston has Rice obviously, but also UH -- which is enormous, two HBCUs, 3 medical schools, Sam Houston State nearby, A&M not all that far away either. Not sure Cleveland and St. Louis can quite match that... totally subjective on my part though... maybe if they had a major public research university as well?)
There are actually three separate UH universities in Houston proper. In addition to the flagship UH (Cougars), there's UH Downtown (Gators) and UH Clear Lake (Hawks) and a fourth one, UH Victoria which is about 50 miles away.

Galveston has UTMB (4th medical school in the Houston area and part of the Texas Medical Center) and Texas A&M University at Galveston
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Hmmmmmmm........

All 7 of the "big urban 7".

Any connection?


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Age. Old cities have old universities which tend to be better. It actually makes me wonder, do we make new good universities any more? Are there any top 100 (or 200) universities created after 1930 or so?

Florida International was founded in 1965 and ranks #137. Are there any other post war Universities in the top 200?

edit: I guess the other directional Florida ones. USF was created in 1956 and UCF 1963
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