US Commerce Dept: CSA and MSA GDP 2021

[LA21st]

Originally Posted by Obadno

gdp in general I think as a metric has been relied upon to much in recent decades. Journalists and analysts will point to gdp in their analysis of potential wars and combat performance it’s crazy. Gdp can be just cause of population, of really expensive places like Luxembourg, or like China a bunch of money wasted on unnecessary government projects to balloon gdp numbers.

Point to Californias high gdp as some sort of counter argument to people’s complaints about California is dumb.

What's dumb are certain states worrying so much what California is doing. Why don't you worry about your own states issues (there's a ton) instead of California?

What you and others don't understand is your comments about California come off as jealously more than anything.

[LA21st]

Originally Posted by Obadno

You need to get over yourself lmao. GDP isn't everything and its quite clear California has major policy problems. In fact the GDP is indicative of its income inequality and how it pushes mid-income people out.

I realize there is no point in arguing with you but you always preempt with strawmen about peoples criticism of what goes on in California. And quite frankly is weird. It isn't a personal attack that the state and many city governments in California do stupid shit.

Again, why do you care? Fix your own shit. You should get over yourself, because you sound upset the largest economy is California and you can't stand it. It must drive Republicans nuts.
For all "its dumb policies" the GDP continues to skyrocket.

Just accept it and move on.

[LA21st]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

California's large GDP is indicative of California having the largest population of any state in the US.

No different than NYC having the largest GDP for cities. Not rocket science. Wh would thought having more people brings in more money.

[TWAK]

Originally Posted by LA21st

Again, why do you care? Fix your own shit. You should get over yourself, because you sound upset the largest economy is California and you can't stand it. It must drive Republicans nuts.
For all "its dumb policies" the GDP continues to skyrocket.

Just accept it and move on.

Don't forget the huge surplus that Californians get back! We could afford to buy another state if we wanted or silence them from complaining about the state via bribes.

Originally Posted by LA21st

No different than NYC having the largest GDP for cities. Not rocket science. Wh would thought having more people brings in more money.

As far as bragging rights go, per capita can measure who gets to be top dog? That's important on an urbanist forum .

[sopas ej]

Originally Posted by Obadno

GDP isn't everything and its quite clear California has major policy problems.

I don't know about that; a coworker of mine just recently got back from 2 weeks of CFRA leave to care for her dying sister, something that FMLA does not cover; CFRA can be taken up to 12 weeks, just like FMLA, and in her case, it wasn't taken concurrently, so she still has 12 weeks of FMLA available to her. And, California also has PFL, so she was getting some money while she was on leave.

Residents of many other states don't have that option. Most states don't even offer disability.

[LA21st]

Originally Posted by sopas ej

I don't know about that; a coworker of mine just recently got back from 2 weeks of CFRA leave to care for her dying sister, something that FMLA does not cover; CFRA can be taken up to 12 weeks, just like FMLA, and in her case, it wasn't taken concurrently, so she still has 12 weeks of FMLA available to her. And, California also has PFL, so she was getting some money while she was on leave.

Residents of many other states don't have that option. Most states don't even offer disability.

They'll never listen. They just want to hate on California because it's the most dominant state and it's....more liberal. And then they delude themselves their states have no problems.

I'm one hundred percent positive if Texas had the highest GDP you wouldnt hear a peep from these haters GDP doesn't matter. Haters hate.

[JManc]

Originally Posted by sopas ej

I don't know about that; a coworker of mine just recently got back from 2 weeks of CFRA leave to care for her dying sister, something that FMLA does not cover; CFRA can be taken up to 12 weeks, just like FMLA, and in her case, it wasn't taken concurrently, so she still has 12 weeks of FMLA available to her. And, California also has PFL, so she was getting some money while she was on leave.

Residents of many other states don't have that option. Most states don't even offer disability.

Plus two weeks off paid if you get Covid which doesn't count against PTO.

[Rail Claimore]

Originally Posted by cabasse

atlanta had quite a few down years after the end of the last recession, it's kind of surprising to see that it has bounced back so strongly. 68% growth over the last 10 years is not too bad.

This stuck out to me after eyeballing the figures as well. Atlanta didn't grow much economically in the 00's, and got hit very hard by the 08 recession. It's bounced back to where it was relative to its peer metros since then.

I think part of it is the industries it's attracting now are very value-intense, similar to what they were in the 90's, which was the previous boom decade of the metro area economically.

[Kngkyle]

Originally Posted by dimondpark

This is 10-year percent growth for MSAs with $100B+ GDP

Metro Area-----GDP 2011--GDP 2021-10 Year Growth
3 Chicago -----------$542-----$764-----+40.9%
7 Houston-----------$382-----$537-----+40.5%

I think 0% of people would have predicted Chicago outgrowing Houston over the past 10 years. The population growth numbers suggest the complete opposite.

[TexasPlaya]

Originally Posted by Kngkyle

I think 0% of people would have predicted Chicago outgrowing Houston over the past 10 years. The population growth numbers suggest the complete opposite.

The worst oil bust since the 80s had a pretty chilling effect on Houston since that occupied about 3-5 out 10 years.

[homebucket]

Originally Posted by TexasPlaya

The worst oil bust since the 80s had a pretty chilling effect on Houston since that occupied about 3-5 out 10 years.

Where’s Houston at as far as confronting the realities of a clean energy, post oil future? Is the city/metro trying to embrace it and begin the transition or does it seem like they’re trying to cling to oil for as long as they can?

[JManc]

Originally Posted by homebucket

Where’s Houston at as far as confronting the realities of a clean energy, post oil future? Is the city/metro trying to embrace it and begin the transition or does it seem like they’re trying to cling to oil for as long as they can?

Houston will skate by on the oil and gas industry for a while but the companies that survive will eventually branch into other forms alternative energy. Houston is going all in on bio/ medical research in the longer term. Some tech companies but nothing like Austin or even Dallas.

[homebucket]

Originally Posted by JManc

Houston will skate by on the oil and gas industry for a while but the companies that survive will eventually branch into other forms alternative energy. Houston is going all in on bio/ medical research in the longer term. Some tech companies but nothing like Austin or even Dallas.

I imagine with Houston’s proximity to the Gulf, the companies there are licking their chops to secure bids to be among the first to achieve dominance in the Gulf as far as establishing offshore wind farms. A lot of the infrastructure can be reused or repurposed and the labor force which is experienced with working offshore or in underwater environments is already there.

[mhays]

Originally Posted by JManc

Houston will skate by on the oil and gas industry for a while but the companies that survive will eventually branch into other forms alternative energy. Houston is going all in on bio/ medical research in the longer term. Some tech companies but nothing like Austin or even Dallas.

Biotech and medical research are a niche unless you're in the top few. If Houston's current plans come to fruition, the next step will be dreaming about climbing into that group someday.

In Seattle we've been trying for decades, boosted by a lot more federal (NIH) and donor (Gates, Bezos, Allen) funding than Houston. But employment is still pretty limited in scale. We're also in that hopeful category.

[wwmiv]

Originally Posted by mhays

Biotech and medical research are a niche unless you're in the top few. If Houston's current plans come to fruition, the next step will be dreaming about climbing into that group someday.

In Seattle we've been trying for decades, boosted by a lot more federal (NIH) and donor (Gates, Bezos, Allen) funding than Houston. But employment is still pretty limited in scale. We're also in that hopeful category.

I think you’d probably agree with this?

Tier 1: Boston
Tier 2: Raleigh, Bay Area, San Diego/O.C., NYC (Jersey and CT particularly)
Tier 3: Seattle, Philadelphia, Chicago, D.C.
Tier 4: Denver, Austin, Pittsburgh, Houston

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by LA21st

No different than NYC having the largest GDP for cities. Not rocket science. Wh would thought having more people brings in more money.

Sort of but NYC is a single urban system. California, like every other state, is a somewhat arbitrary collection of local economies. There are many ways to draw a box around 40 million people in this country and create the largest economy, but no other urban system in the U.S. will match NYC.

[LA21st]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

Sort of but NYC is a single urban system. California, like every other state, is a somewhat arbitrary collection of local economies. There are many ways to draw a box around 40 million people in this country and create the largest economy, but no other urban system in the U.S. will match NYC.

So you're saying if you add up several states in the northeast it would surpass California? Who cares? That's just a stretch.

And btw, California has a higher GDP combined than the entire south (including Florida but excluding Texas) More people, less GDP.
I added up Illinois, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Missouri, Wisconsin and it wasn't close to California's GDP. More people, less GDP.

So it's not that easy. NY, Pennsylvia and New Jersey have more people than California and less gdp. And don't bring up less land, most of California is habitable in a few places. You'd have to throw in Maryland or Connecitcut to win in GDP, with 4 million people.

[jd3189]

^^^ What industries make up the most of California’s GDP? Isn’t it mainly the tech giants and agriculture?

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by LA21st

So you're saying if you add up several states in the northeast it would surpass California? Who cares? That's just a stretch.

And btw, California has a higher GDP combined than the entire south (including Florida but excluding Texas) More people, less GDP.
I added up Illinois, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Missouri, Wisconsin and it wasn't close to California's GDP. More people, less GDP.

So it's not that easy. NY, Pennsylvia and New Jersey have more people than California and less gdp. And don't bring up less land, most of California is habitable in a few places. You'd have to throw in Maryland or Connecitcut to win in GDP, with 4 million people.

If NorCal and SoCal were two states instead of one, and Illinois, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Missouri, Wisconsin were one state then that state would have the largest economy in the U.S. by far. If California were a single state then the Midwest state would be a pretty close second place, and far ahead of the next closest state. OTOH, no other city really comes close to NYC.

[LA21st]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

If NorCal and SoCal were two states instead of one, and Illinois, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Missouri, Wisconsin were one state then that state would have the largest economy in the U.S. by far. If California were a single state then the Midwest state would be a pretty close second place, and far ahead of the next closest state. OTOH, no other city really comes close to NYC.

Lol what? All those Midwestern states have more people and less gdp. Now your arguement is to split ca in two
Good grief.