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Old Posted Apr 13, 2021, 10:15 PM
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That's because "cases" are EXTREMELY dependent on how much a given state is testing.

covid deaths give a much clearer picture of the extent of an outbreak in a given area.



Alabama doesn't test. It has the 4th LOWEST testing rate in the nation.

Yet it has is the 10th HIGHEST covid death rate in the nation.



If you don't test your population, you're not gonna find much covid.

but if the people are still dying at higher than average rates, then you've got a lot of covid going around,

it just ain't being discovered at the same rate it is in other places that are all-in on testing.
testing notwithstanding, it's completely possible that more contagious variants simply haven't made it there yet. with some luck, they might be able to beat them by vaccinating quickly enough.
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2021, 10:42 PM
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Covid: Younger Brazilians fall ill as cases explode

Concern is growing in Brazil about the rising number of young people who are critically ill in hospital with Covid-19.

Research suggests more than half of patients being treated in intensive care last month were under 40 . . . .
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-la...erica-56723439

Will we ever get past the idea that only old people get really sick with COVID?
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2021, 11:33 PM
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Will we ever get past the idea that only old people get really sick with COVID?
Has Brazil vaccinated their old yet? If so, this is not and should not be surprising. Of course, young people will make up a larger portion of those hospitalized if the old are vaccinated. This makes complete sense.
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2021, 11:56 PM
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Has Brazil vaccinated their old yet? If so, this is not and should not be surprising. Of course, young people will make up a larger portion of those hospitalized if the old are vaccinated. This makes complete sense.
It's significant because Brazil is in the midst of its worst spike in deaths of the entire pandemic.
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2021, 12:03 AM
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Will we ever get past the idea that only old people get really sick with COVID?
No, because the old are overwhelmingly more likely to get very ill and die of Covid. That will always be the case.

The question is whether more of them were vaccinated in Brazil. I don’t know because that article doesn’t reveal that info
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2021, 12:21 AM
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Will we ever get past the idea that only old people get really sick with COVID?
No one has ever said this.

What many of us are saying is that the risk from Covid is many orders of magnitude higher for older people, that younger people rarely have life-threatening illness, and that the risk to young people in itself does not justify lockdowns or any of these restrictions, only the risk to older people. All of this (barring the last point which is inherently subjective) has been well established fact since at last May 2020 and borne out by mounds of statistical data.

As you know I am of the view that governments, even if they couldn’t legally make different rules for older people, should have had clear and strong messaging to the effect that if you are over 70, you should continue to stay at home, avoid social contact, and avoid close contact with family even as things opened up. If this had been done and somewhat adhered to, then everywhere could have been like Florida and gone back to some degree of normalcy by June of last year.

As for your article, there are over 200 million people in Brazil and the population skews younger than the US, let alone Europe, so of course the raw numbers of young people with “severe” Covid will sound like a big number. That doesn’t mean the risk justifies the disruption to life. I risk my health or even life every day I go snowboarding than I do going out to bars during Covid.
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2021, 1:39 AM
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Anyway lol. Per previous discussion. It is not Illinois allocating doses to Chicago. It is the Federal government. Chicago receives its supply of vaccine from the federal government allocated separately from the state. As such, the city operates on its own framework and timetable. One third of the doses administered in Chicago have gone to non residents. It is what it is, whatever. But that is why it is hard to get a shot here in Chicago - doses received based on population but administered based to a larger population.

Anyway managed to get my first dose today of Pfizer in Forest Park though Cook County!
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2021, 5:46 AM
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Americans Have Too Much Toilet Paper. Finally, Sales Slow.
By Sharon Terlep
Updated April 13, 2021 6:43 pm ET

After a year in which toilet-tissue shortages left consumers scrambling for squares, sales are plummeting to below pre-pandemic levels.

Bath-tissue sales in January fell more than 4% from the same period a year earlier, before the spread of Covid-19 spurred Americans to load up on staples from toilet paper to sanitary wipes, according to figures from NielsenIQ. The decline, which comes even though legions of Americans continue to work and attend school from home, indicates last year’s stockpiling is starting to have an effect on sales . . . .
https://www.wsj.com/articles/america...=hp_lead_pos12
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2021, 6:09 AM
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Anyway lol. Per previous discussion. It is not Illinois allocating doses to Chicago. It is the Federal government. Chicago receives its supply of vaccine from the federal government allocated separately from the state. As such, the city operates on its own framework and timetable. One third of the doses administered in Chicago have gone to non residents. It is what it is, whatever. But that is why it is hard to get a shot here in Chicago - doses received based on population but administered based to a larger population.

Anyway managed to get my first dose today of Pfizer in Forest Park though Cook County!
According to this - https://data.cdc.gov/Vaccinations/Na...ions/sxbq-3sid - Chicago, Philadelphia and New York are unique as the only cities getting their own allocations from the feds. But if the state accepts their argument that they are vaccinating non-residents, there’s nothing to prevent it from giving them additional supplies. I guess special treatment has a downside. Too bad.

Anyway you went and stole your shot from outside the city and I bet you aren’t alone.

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Old Posted Apr 14, 2021, 6:26 AM
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Will we ever get past the idea that only old people get really sick with COVID?
The old "cytokine storm" problem. Active immune systens can be a problem. Just like the 1918 pandemic. Young people were not spared. Looks like covid variants are getting more troublesome for the young.
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2021, 6:27 AM
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No, because the old are overwhelmingly more likely to get very ill and die of Covid. That will always be the case.

The question is whether more of them were vaccinated in Brazil. I don’t know because that article doesn’t reveal that info
Apparently that is no longer true in Brazil for whatever reason. Before vaccination of large numbers the very sick young were swamped by the very sick old but now the old are protected and its obvious that the Brazilian variant, at least, can make even the young very sick if they refuse to act prudently.
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According to this - https://data.cdc.gov/Vaccinations/Na...ions/sxbq-3sid - Chicago, Philadelphia and New York are unique as the only cities getting their own allocations from the feds. But if the state accepts their argument that they are vaccinating non-residents, there’s nothing to prevent it from giving them additional supplies. I guess special treatment has a downside. Too bad.

Anyway you went and stole your shot from outside the city and I bet you aren’t alone.
Pedestrian, if you could choose between Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, which would you pick? Some data I've seen seem to show the moderna vaccine can have slightly tougher side effects, especially after the second dose. My elderly mom has to have the vaccine, and can pick either one. Both vaccines do seem to be effective. Any thoughts? When you had the vaccine, how bad were the side effects if any? Pfizer or Mod.,?
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2021, 2:23 PM
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According to this - https://data.cdc.gov/Vaccinations/Na...ions/sxbq-3sid - Chicago, Philadelphia and New York are unique as the only cities getting their own allocations from the feds. But if the state accepts their argument that they are vaccinating non-residents, there’s nothing to prevent it from giving them additional supplies. I guess special treatment has a downside. Too bad.

Anyway you went and stole your shot from outside the city and I bet you aren’t alone.
No matter how much it bothers you how Chicago administers it's shots the fact of the matter is you are being ridiculous and obtuse. Why this bothers you is beyond me. Boredom? And I did not steal any shots. That's a hell of an accusation. Why would you do that? You are in your mid 70's. I have nothing in common with you. Move on and enjoy retirement instead of accusing and debating with people several decades younger than you about them getting a vaccine shot. I am a resident of Cook County thus am able to get shots from Cook County. They even recommend it.
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According to this - https://data.cdc.gov/Vaccinations/Na...ions/sxbq-3sid - Chicago, Philadelphia and New York are unique as the only cities getting their own allocations from the feds. But if the state accepts their argument that they are vaccinating non-residents, there’s nothing to prevent it from giving them additional supplies. I guess special treatment has a downside. Too bad.

Anyway you went and stole your shot from outside the city and I bet you aren’t alone.
NYC has its own public health system with the capacity to administer vaccines at scale. That's probably why NY's doses are split between the city and state (also nearly half the state's population lives in the five boroughs). NYC also allows non-residents who work in the city to get vaccinated at an NYC run site.

When I was booking my own appointment in NY, it was very hard to find vaccine appointments anywhere near the NY Metro area on the state portal, but there were plenty of appointments available if you drove 200 miles upstate. I ended up finding a last minute slot on the city's hospitals website.

Also, I believe that if you go to one of the pharmacies that are permitted to administer vaccines (Walgreens, Rite-Aid, etc.), there is no residency requirement at all.
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Apparently that is no longer true in Brazil for whatever reason. Before vaccination of large numbers the very sick young were swamped by the very sick old but now the old are protected and its obvious that the Brazilian variant, at least, can make even the young very sick if they refuse to act prudently.
I know you’re obsessed with the idea that it’s “not just us old folks” who are at risk from Covid, but statistically that is the case. Give it a rest.
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The old "cytokine storm" problem. Active immune systens can be a problem. Just like the 1918 pandemic. Young people were not spared. Looks like covid variants are getting more troublesome for the young.
Ugh.... so much nonsense being spewed in this thread....
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I know you’re obsessed with the idea that it’s “not just us old folks” who are at risk from Covid, but statistically that is the case. Give it a rest.
Yep

There is zero evidence anywhere that COVID is suddenly changing into something it is not (and never will be) and becoming more deadly for young people.

If anything is happening, the cases are skewing younger because the elderly have been vaccinated, and hence the proportion of people dying is younger simply for the same reason. Any simple understanding of math and statistics will reveal that.
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Apparently that is no longer true in Brazil for whatever reason. Before vaccination of large numbers the very sick young were swamped by the very sick old but now the old are protected and its obvious that the Brazilian variant, at least, can make even the young very sick if they refuse to act prudently.
You really are getting confused.

I'm saying the same thing that you are.

Sorry, I know that being scared of COVID is becoming a rather fun pet project for you, but COVID is NOT EVOLVING into something that is more deadly for the young.

When you save the older people from dying, then the only people left to die are younger people. So even though younger people are still REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY unlikely to die, they are the only people left getting Covid, and when the virus is spreading to tens/hundreds of millions of them, they are like 90% of the deaths now. Simple common sense and grasping of statistics reveals this.
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