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Charmy2 · #**261** Posted **May 31, 2023, 12:28 AM**

It would be insane if a building taller than 30 Hudson was built in phase 2. Is there anything going on with phase 2 now that 50 Hudson is done or not yet? Also what's the deal with Affirmation, I feel like I haven't heard that name since it went viral a few years ago.

mrnyc · #**262** Posted **May 31, 2023, 12:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by MAC123

Before I even start, yes I know this is heavy hopium.

I hope this 3M sqft tower is even taller than the proposal for 418 11th Ave (the only one we've been shown)

Obviously it's likely to be more fat and squat, but I hope the hotel components and resort aspects mean the developers want it to be more tall to get higher prices.

you are exactly right, but i hope that wide base is a nice incentive to go tall.

NYguy · #**263** Posted **May 31, 2023, 2:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by Charmy2

It would be insane if a building taller than 30 Hudson was built in phase 2. Is there anything going on with phase 2 now that 50 Hudson is done or not yet? Also what's the deal with Affirmation, I feel like I haven't heard that name since it went viral a few years ago.

The casino bid is for phase 2. As for the Affirmation Tower, that development site is still on hold by the governor. Which brings up another elephant in the room. The full block site between the Javits and the casino/hotel proposal. That’s the other state owned site that will be subject to an RFP, once the governor realizes they still exist.

https://www.gamesbras.com/english-ve...ect-37644.html

Wynn plans US$10 billion New York City casino project

May 30, 2023

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Developer Related Companies said it will undertake a US$10 billion redevelopment of the entire western half of Hudson Yards for a new complex that is expected to feature a 250,000 sq.ft Wynn casino and a luxury hotel with 1,700 rooms within a “resort” tower.

The Wynn tower would house a casino offering craps, poker, roulette, as well as blackjack games in the skyscraper, along with high-end restaurants and shops.

“It would be one of the most incredible tall buildings in New York City,” said Related CEO Jeff Blau to The Post. He also commented that there are plans to include a two million square foot office tower on 6.5 acres of undeveloped land at Hudson Yards.

I can see the movie now. “The Towering Casino”.

Busy Bee · #**264** Posted **May 31, 2023, 3:06 AM**

Stakes is high

Zapatan · #**265** Posted **May 31, 2023, 7:04 PM**

If 175 Park Avenue, Affirmation Tower and another ~500 meter tower here all manage to get built that would blow minds. Midtown alone is already one of the best skylines on earth.

I guess that's a big if but still fun to think about.

MAC123 · #**266** Posted **May 31, 2023, 7:28 PM**

^Let's not ignore site 4 at the PABT. That's also a contender to look out for.

Sky88 · #**267** Posted **May 31, 2023, 8:22 PM**

^Yes, site 4 at the PABT but and 360 10th Avenue too.

MAC123 · #**268** Posted **May 31, 2023, 8:26 PM**

But speaking of this site, I wonder what they'll do at the base to spice it up? Mini waterfall? Large fountain? It'll be interesting to wait and see.

chris08876 · #**269** Posted **May 31, 2023, 8:51 PM**

Major new tourist and regional destination in the making. Will be great for the local economy and businesses with all of the tourists and visitors.

Busy Bee · #**270** Posted **May 31, 2023, 9:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by MAC123

But speaking of this site, I wonder what they'll do at the base to spice it up? Mini waterfall? Large fountain? It'll be interesting to wait and see.

Tubes on the facade that shoot out and reign down cash at the top of the hour every hour. That or full frontal nudity.

MAC123 · #**271** Posted **May 31, 2023, 9:33 PM**

^ I wouldn't be opposed

Charmy2 · #**272** Posted **Jun 1, 2023, 12:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee

Stakes is high

This made me giggle.

NYguy · #**273** Posted **Jun 1, 2023, 1:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by MAC123

^Let's not ignore site 4 at the PABT. That's also a contender to look out for.

That's still on the boards, though it hardly makes any news because it's part of a large redevelopment that will be built on Port Authority land, unlike the Penn Station redevelopment.

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Originally Posted by MAC123

But speaking of this site, I wonder what they'll do at the base to spice it up? Mini waterfall? Large fountain? It'll be interesting to wait and see.

There was talk in an earlier article posted here of a waterfall, and one of the animated characters. Don't know if that was before the revised plans. Here it is again, sounds like the hotel has grown in size since then...

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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/19/n...quare.amp.html

October 29, 2022

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In a private pitch deck obtained by The Times, Wynn and Related wrote that Hudson Yards, near the Javits Center, was the ideal location to target “diverse upscale” guests for a casino resort complex.

“Because it attracts the upper tier of gaming consumers, Wynn is able to dedicate less than 10 percent of its resort space to gaming, yet still generate significant gaming revenue and tax benefits for municipalities,” reads a slide in the deck.

The deck also features photos of an outdoor man-made waterfall — and of a couple enjoying cocktails while watching a cigarette-holding animatronic frog, apparently from Wynn’s “Lake of Dreams” show.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-in-casino-bid

NYC Hudson Yards Developer Pitches 1,500-Room Resort in Casino Bid

December 7, 2022

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Plans also call for about 20 restaurants, a nightclub, theater and casino at the second phase of the project on Manhattan’s far west side. The company also aims to increase affordable housing in the area and add a school, Related Chief Executive Officer Jeff Blau said on Bloomberg Television Wednesday.

The current proposal calls for a 1,700 room hotel. At 3 msf of floor space, the total size would be somewhere between 3 and 4 msf. A huge development on its own.

NYguy · #**274** Posted **Jun 1, 2023, 1:13 AM**

A look at the distribution of development, pre-casino proposal...

DCReid · #**275** Posted **Jun 1, 2023, 2:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by NYguy

A look at the distribution of development, pre-casino proposal...

I hope they swap the office/retail lot plan with the residential/school lot. It seems that if they don't, we may get another fat boxy tower that will not be taller than 1000 feet so as not to spoil the view of 30 HY observation deck, whereas a taller tower on the other side (residential/school lot) would not spoil the view and would also better balance out the skyline in this area.

BK1985 · #**276** Posted **Jun 1, 2023, 4:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by DCReid

I hope they swap the office/retail lot plan with the residential/school lot. It seems that if they don't, we may get another fat boxy tower that will not be taller than 1000 feet so as not to spoil the view of 30 HY observation deck, whereas a taller tower on the other side (residential/school lot) would not spoil the view and would also better balance out the skyline in this area.

The outdoor portion of the deck faces southeast so I don’t think it would really be an issue

NYguy · #**277** Posted **Jun 1, 2023, 5:32 PM**

One thing I’ve been thinking about is the tower design. Most of the Wynn resorts look similar. But they wouldn’t try to replicate that with a supertall, right?

https://thenevadaindependent.com/art...-casino-in-uae

Wynn unveils plans and renderings for a 1,000-foot-tall hotel-casino in UAE

Howard Stutz
April 28th, 2023

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…..The centerpiece will include a 1,000-foot-tall hotel tower rising above the island’s shoreline next to the Arabian Sea.

The property will include multiple resort amenities, including 1,500 hotel rooms and suites and several high-priced villas with beachfront access. The property will have 24 restaurants and lounges and other non-gaming amenities, including 120,000 square feet of retail space and 100,000 square feet of convention and meeting areas.

Sky88 · #**278** Posted **Jun 1, 2023, 8:03 PM**

Wynn and Related proposed a 3 million square foot resort tower and a 2 million square foot office tower for Hudson Yards. What if the towers were like this?

(WUHAN Fosun Bund Center Phase 2 - 480m+390m).

NYguy · #**279** Posted **Jun 1, 2023, 9:42 PM**

They most likely would want to keep the casino/resort and office components separate. These casinos are also supposed to contend with (or conform to) city zoning. So while there is no height limit, we’ll see how far the design envelope gets pushed.

artspook · #**280** Posted **Jun 3, 2023, 7:58 AM**

Wow ! Now that’s some great architecture, Sky88 !