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Old Posted Jun 6, 2019, 3:16 PM
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I like that JDS proposal. Fits in very nicely without detracting from ESB because the buildings are thin and elegant.
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I like that JDS proposal. Fits in very nicely without detracting from ESB because the buildings are thin and elegant.
That's whats so nice about the 57th Street supertalls. You aren't gonna get any office towers like that, especially in NY where tenants drive demand. That's why all of the new office towers look like they could skip a few meals.
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Just another potential view of a tower base there...










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With the Modell's chain going under, I wonder who Vornado will lease this space to. It's a prime location for retail, with a high volume of foot traffic. That should make it easier to lease
at this time. This is site 5 of the Empire Station district, a 1.9 msf office tower. Any tower here could be a few years off, so I'm sure the space won't sit vacant.



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That entire block between 6th and 7th (and lot #5) needs to be razed. Garbage all around. Hopefully someone can come in and make a nice lot assembly.
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Knock down all that crap.

That whole neighborhood, excepting a few structures, needs to be flattened and replaced with new towers.
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2020, 9:26 PM
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That area is full of placeholders for development.
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It's interesting, I think, that Hudson Yards was built before this. It seems like it would have been a hell of a lot easier to knock down all these low-rises and build new office towers to meet demand, than it was to build over the exposed train tracks for Hudson Yards.
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It's interesting, I think, that Hudson Yards was built before this. It seems like it would have been a hell of a lot easier to knock down all these low-rises and build new office towers to meet demand, than it was to build over the exposed train tracks for Hudson Yards.
Not so much. The Hudson Yards rezoning covered a much broader scope than just the railyards. But they were able to build basically that entire area over the railyards from scratch. This is a reworking into a neighborhood that is already there, and the only reason they are doing it now is because of the demo needed for the station expansion. The low rise buildings in the area are active, the streets are lively, even though it's not near it's full potential. The Hudson Yards area meanwhile was (and still is) full of parking lots and desolate spaces. It can be said that with better transportation, the Empire District should have been an easier sell. But the Hudson Yards covers a much larger area, while this is only a few blocks.

The Hudson Yards rezoning initially extended to 2 Penn Plaza and MSG itself, which would have seen the same potential for unlimited zoning that the four corners towers would have received (had it not been for the city council medling). From that point of view, you can say this area could have been enveloped into the Hudson Yards with greater density. Moynihan is still considered Hudson Yards. But one battle at a time.



Here is the original Hudson Yards rezoning with that 2 Penn potential...






And more modest zoning for the surrounding areas, places which are now part of the Empire Station rezoning...












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A curved corner would be sharp.
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A curved corner would be sharp.
Yeah that would be nice. It'll be a while for this so we'll see some more refined renderings later.
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A curved corner would be sharp.
damn straight, good point

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It'll be a while for this so we'll see some more refined renderings later.
If they intend to make thecrebuilding of the current station a priority, then this will come sooner rather than later. This site has neared false starts before, but it’s time for these placeholder sites to earn their place.
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I can't wait till this crap is removed for a new supertall, and grander access to the Empire Complex.
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Another look at one of Foster's placeholder designs for the site...






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I think that this looks great on its own, but the only problem is that if Vornado tries to make all of its buildings in that area look alike, it will look nutty.

Anyway, Will this be all office, or will it have a hotel too?

I’m eager for this crappy block to be developed.


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I think that this looks great on its own, but the only problem is that if Vornado tries to make all of its buildings in that area look alike, it will look nutty.
I actually really like the placeholder design of the “modells site”, it speaks the same design language but isn’t a copy of 15 Penn.
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