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Old Posted Oct 2, 2020, 5:50 PM
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Considering the primary Tesla factory is located in California I am surprised that both this hasn't happened sooner and that it hasn't raised conflict of interest concerns.
I think this is a chicken before the egg debate. Because of Tesla's California roots there are far more super charger locations than anywhere else in North America, making it practical for more citizens to drive them, leading to a ban on ICE vehicles being practical where it isn't in other places.

Is California banning ICE vehicles because Tesla is lobbying the state? Maybe, but California is also a progressive, leftist state where a significant number of citizens support the ban.

Obviously the negative impact on low-income citizens will be significant but in 15 years a critical mass of used EVs should be available at affordable prices and the price gap between new EVs and new ICE vehicles will be closed significantly. You can already see some competitive market forces begin to emerge as many luxury and economy automotive manufactures have announced or launched fully elective vehicles.
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Old Posted Oct 2, 2020, 8:26 PM
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I think this is a chicken before the egg debate. Because of Tesla's California roots there
Yes and no. The Fremont factory was actually a a "causality" of of the 2008 recession. Before then Telsa had a contract with British automotive company Lotus to supply parts that were not related to the drive train. In the 2008 recession, GM restructured and closed a bunch of divisions including Pontiac. At the time the Fremont factory was a a join venture between GM and Toyota with the GM product being the Pontiac Vibe (essentially a badge engineered Corolla hatch). With the product dead and the need to close factors, GM announced they would exit the factory, followed shortly by Toyota which did not need the capacity themselves and wasn't willing to take on the full operational costs. With a automotive manufactory basically available "for free" with a unemployed and trained local workforce with mostly non-transferable skills available Tesla jumped in and took ownership. It easily could have ended up at any other auto plant that was closed down in the 2008 recession.
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no one considering the Mustang Mach E? despite being a 4 door Mustang, I'm looking forward to seeing one, probably not buy

also Ford coming out with other E cars, some made in CANADA


https://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford...t-impressions/
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Old Posted Oct 2, 2020, 9:58 PM
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Robinson new HQ (not yet open) on King Edward just South of their other buildings, will have 2 "FLO" electric stalls. All installed already, not tuned on yet. Not sure if open to public to use but I assume they will be.
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2020, 5:42 PM
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Tesla has job postings for sales and service positions in Winnipeg. Can anybody confirm if and where they are opening a sales and service centre? My best guess would be the Ikea area. Benz, Audi and Lexus already there.
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I did a quick search and only see two Tesla jobs for electricians in Winnipeg. I wonder if they are for their commerical powerwall division and not automotive related?
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2020, 6:12 PM
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Here is a link to the sales job:

Definitely vehicles.

https://www.tesla.com/careers/job/te...winnipeg-73467
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Those are different jobs from what I found so Tesla must be on a hiring spree in Winnipeg

https://www.glassdoor.ca/job-listing...medium=organic
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Just a thought, Nott Auto is selling Tesla in Winnipeg could be hiring sales staff to work out of that location?
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2020, 10:02 PM
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Just a thought, Nott Auto is selling Tesla in Winnipeg could be hiring sales staff to work out of that location?
Nott sells used and has no direct connection to Tesla.
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Both specialized in buying USA luxury vehicles, the way the $ had been past 6-8 yrs, I’m surprised they still exist.
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Hummer EV

GM is bringing back the Hummer. It is all electric but something that massive surely can't be that environmentally friendly.

https://www.gmc.com/electric-truck/hummer-ev
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GM is bringing back the Hummer. It is all electric but something that massive surely can't be that environmentally friendly.
The whole "zero emission" myth of electric vehicles isn't necessarily environmental friendly. Whether it is a power assisted bicycle that does 30 km/m, a Tesla Model 3, a Tesla Roadster, a Tesla CyberTruck, a Tesla Semi, a GMC Hummer, one of the electric NewFlyer buses or any of the other electric vehicles on the road they all suffer from the same issue on being "environmental friendly" in that the emissions come out of a power plant smoke stack than the tail pipe on the vehicle. It is more emissions shifting that emissions elimination like electric vehicle companies and owners like to claim.

And no, hydro is not considered to be environmental friendly due to the massive amounts of flooding it intentionally causes upstream for the generation station.

As for the new electric GMC Hummer, is it no better or worse for the environment than anything Tesla is pumping out. For both the big challenge is what happens with the batteries at end of life.
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And no, hydro is not considered to be environmental friendly due to the massive amounts of flooding it intentionally causes upstream for the generation station.
Flooding a few km^2's of unused Canadian Shield is much preferable to burning fossil fuels, it's something like 50 times less greenhouse gas intensive, or 50% more ghg emissions than wind, according to https://www.hydropower.org/news/stud...rbon-footprint
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"Environmentally friendly" isn't some binary categorization.

And yes, electric vehicles don't (indirectly) produce zero carbon emissions, but that figure is still less than internal combustion engines. Switching to EVs is also beneficial to local air quality for the obvious lack of tailpipe emissions as well as greatly reduced brake pad emissions.
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The whole "zero emission" myth of electric vehicles isn't necessarily environmental friendly. Whether it is a power assisted bicycle that does 30 km/m, a Tesla Model 3, a Tesla Roadster, a Tesla CyberTruck, a Tesla Semi, a GMC Hummer, one of the electric NewFlyer buses or any of the other electric vehicles on the road they all suffer from the same issue on being "environmental friendly" in that the emissions come out of a power plant smoke stack than the tail pipe on the vehicle. It is more emissions shifting that emissions elimination like electric vehicle companies and owners like to claim.

And no, hydro is not considered to be environmental friendly due to the massive amounts of flooding it intentionally causes upstream for the generation station.

As for the new electric GMC Hummer, is it no better or worse for the environment than anything Tesla is pumping out. For both the big challenge is what happens with the batteries at end of life.
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"Environmentally friendly" isn't some binary categorization.

And yes, electric vehicles don't (indirectly) produce zero carbon emissions, but that figure is still less than internal combustion engines. Switching to EVs is also beneficial to local air quality for the obvious lack of tailpipe emissions as well as greatly reduced brake pad emissions.
Excellent points. Plus, the cumulative effect of reducing emissions from potentially millions of cars can't be ignored.
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Old Posted Oct 26, 2020, 6:30 PM
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The year 2000 called, they want their arguments back.
Last time I checked, those are still valid arguments.
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It's not that the arguments are invalid, rather that they're vastly overstated.
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Old Posted Oct 26, 2020, 9:11 PM
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It's not that the arguments are invalid, rather that they're vastly overstated.
Possibly. But just changing out ICE for EV still maintains a need for high energy inputs to sustain more or less the exact same car-culture that exists today.

Not just the fuel in the car, but the roads, sprawl etc.

The end result is that EVs will reduce or eliminate the pollution at the tail pipe within urban areas - which is good - but the energy still needs to come from somewhere, so the pollution does more or less just get moved somewhere else.

The battery question is also very valid. There is pollution associated with the production and mining of the materials, and how much do we really know at this point with respect to lifecycles, recycling and disposal of these components?
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