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Old Posted Jun 26, 2017, 9:49 PM
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^ oh yeah i can certainly see the usefulness of the concourse for commuters with the much needed additional access. i was just referring to the looks of it. terms like grand or inspiring wont come into the play here until farley takes a bow and moynihan hall opens.
Even that will be subject to criticisms. But any improvement over the current mess is an improvement.
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during the weekend of july 7-9, 2017, amtrak engineering forces work to replace track panels (ties, rail and switches) in "a" interlocking, an area of tracks and switches that serves as the crucial sorting mechanism routing trains that enter penn station from the hudson river tunnels and the long island rail road’s west side yard to the various tracks and platforms in the station.

This time-lapse video captured just over 48 hours of work.
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2017, 4:23 AM
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Biggest missed opportunity of all time?


NYC has no clue what to do with hundreds of these.

20170710_200556 by J Sinclair, on Flickr

NYC has this.

20170710_195533 by J Sinclair, on Flickr

Connect the dots.

Moynihan Station was built to support hundreds of 18-whellers.

Moynihan Station is being built to support intercity transport.

CONNECT THE DOTS NYC!
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Those 18 wheelers would likely arrive and leave at off peak hours. Busses typically arrive and leave during rush hour, thus necessitating direct on/off access which this station doesn't have.
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What is going in the back of the Farley station? Is it offices? Originally MSG had a plan to move there, I hope they will still have that option.
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What is going in the back of the Farley station? Is it offices? Originally MSG had a plan to move there, I hope they will still have that option.
That part hasn't been fully revealed yet.



http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...groundbreaking

Finally, action: LaGuardia, Moynihan projects get going
Cuomo, at Delta terminal groundbreaking, reveals train hall start is just two weeks away


By Will Bredderman
August 8, 2017


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...The Moynihan Station project across from Penn Station comes nearly seven years after the first stage of the overhaul, a concourse expansion for the Long Island Rail Road, broke ground.

The governor unveiled the Moynihan news in an apparent aside, as he launched into a familiar jeremiad against projects that foundered in the "quagmire of the bureaucracy."

"Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, God rest his soul, said 20 years ago we need a substitute for Penn Station, because Penn Station is intolerable, and we should build a new train hall across the street," the governor said. "You know what happened in the interim? Nothing. And you know what's going to happen in two weeks? We're going to break ground on the new Moynihan train hall."

The Empire State Economic Development Corp., which Cuomo controls, finalized a deal with Vornado Realty Trust and Related Companies to overhaul the Farley post office building in June. Under the deal, the two private developers will pitch in $630 million toward the project, with the state directly contributing $550 million, plus other funds through the Metropolitan Transportation Authority. Amtrak and the federal government will provide the balance of the $1.6 billion project.

Related and Vornado had previously signed on to redevelop the station in 2005, but ran into complications surrounding the possible relocation of Madison Square Garden from atop Penn Station and then the 2008 financial crisis.

Federal stimulus monies allowed the LIRR concourse expansion to break ground in 2010, and it opened to the public in June.
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Those 18 wheelers would likely arrive and leave at off peak hours. Busses typically arrive and leave during rush hour, thus necessitating direct on/off access which this station doesn't have.
Dyer Ave is a block away. Is that still too far? Too bad the Manhattan West development has closed off the opportunity for a direct link there.
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I know exactly what to do with them. Keep them in Jersey. We don't need the 8,000 buses a day that come into the city.

Build a bus terminal at the Meadowland, then extend the 7 train over there to carry in all the bus passengers.

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Biggest missed opportunity of all time?


NYC has no clue what to do with hundreds of these.

20170710_200556 by J Sinclair, on Flickr

NYC has this.

20170710_195533 by J Sinclair, on Flickr

Connect the dots.

Moynihan Station was built to support hundreds of 18-whellers.

Moynihan Station is being built to support intercity transport.

CONNECT THE DOTS NYC!
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Penn Station's Moynihan Train Hall begins construction

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The conversion of the James A. Farley Post Office building, across from Penn Station, into the new Moynihan Train Hall, is officially underway, Governor Andrew Cuomo announced Thursday afternoon.

Demolition work at the post office building got underway in September 2016, but the site has now been prepped for the new train hall which will measure 255,000 square feet, come with a 92-foot-tall skylight, and have nine platforms and 17 tracks serviced by eleven escalators and seven elevators...

....The vibrant retail he’s referring to will be part of 700,000 square feet of commercial, retail, and dining venues inside the transformed Farley building. Once complete, the new Moynihan Train Hall will provide a direct connection to the Eight Avenue Subway, and for the first time ever, a new entrance to the overall Penn-Farley complex on Ninth Avenue.

...Construction on the new train hall is set to wrap by 2020.


Some New Renderings

From 9th Ave











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That last pic with One Manhattan West Towers and HY is amazing.
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It's like Penn Station reincarnated. This is impressive work. So does this officially mean that Farley will cease postal operations?
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It seems there could be a mall or offices in the rear portion of the building near 9th avenue, is this correct?

If so, it is a pity that MSG could never move there. A lost opportunity.

Also, when is the work on the old Penn starting - the new concourse and grand entrance?

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^ Blame Dolan for the MSG move.



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It's like Penn Station reincarnated. This is impressive work. So does this officially mean that Farley will cease postal operations?
It's still open. What will pass for the new Penn Station concourse is actually on a lower level. The Farley Annex (the addition that was added to the west) will be largely the commercial space. It's where the new MSG was supposed to go. But mail hasn't been processed in the building for years, it's been mostly vacant. The post office will occupy only about a quarter million sf of the space, with the typical 99 year lease.
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^ Blame Dolan for the MSG move.





It's still open. What will pass for the new Penn Station concourse is actually on a lower level. The Farley Annex (the addition that was added to the west) will be largely the commercial space. It's where the new MSG was supposed to go. But mail hasn't been processed in the building for years, it's been mostly vacant. The post office will occupy only about a quarter million sf of the space, with the typical 99 year lease.
Oh I certainly blame him, but I place more blame on the city of NY for letting the whole mess start in the first place and allowing Penn to be demolished and MSG put there. Dolan is not the whole story here. After all, he's just another business owner looking to make as much profit as possible. The city has a responsibility of good stewardship and they made a choice.

I also think this is the end for Penn Station's possible redevelopment. Sad, but there doesn't seem to be other sites that Dolan would find appealing available in the area unless something massively changes. No doubt, the annex is now off the table unless something crazy happened down the line and the developers were willing to do another deal - unlikely if the mall and office space is successful.

What Penn really needed was fundamental track changes, not just pretty head houses. The current project is a nice improvement over the old place for Amtrak and some LIRR pax, but it doesn't serve enough people, doesn't fix the transport and capacity issues with Penn Station, and doesn't help fix the old Penn's ugly appearance.

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Oh I certainly blame him, but I place more blame on the city of NY for letting the whole mess start in the first place and allowing Penn to be demolished and MSG put there. Dolan is not the whole story here. After all, he's just another business owner looking to make as much profit as possible. The city has a responsibility of good stewardship and they made a choice.
Of course, in hindsight Penn Station should not have been destroyed. But there was nothing the city could do to stop it. It did lead to the preservation of Grand Central and other landmarks, so there is a little ray of light in that. But as far as the move to the Farley Building, it was absolutely Dolan's fault. His temper tantrum with not being able to put MSG signage over the front (8th Ave side) of Farley - the landmarked portion - is one of the reasons he backed out.


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I also think this is the end for Penn Station's possible redevelopment. Sad, but there doesn't seem to be other sites that Dolan would find appealing available in the area unless something massively changes. No doubt, the annex is now off the table unless something crazy happened down the line and the developers were willing to do another deal - unlikely if the mall and office space is successful.
I doubt Dolan would welcome any new deal to move into Farley for the reasons listed above.



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What Penn really needed was fundamental track changes, not just pretty head houses. The current project is a nice improvement over the old place for Amtrak and some LIRR pax, but it doesn't serve enough people, doesn't fix the transport and capacity issues with Penn Station, and doesn't help fix the old Penn's ugly appearance.
I have to disagree with you there. I have to commute through Penn Station daily, and it is a dangerously overcrowded mess when things are in order. The new extension into Farley is not meant to be a replacement to Penn Station, rather an extension that would allow for more free movement in the station, along with improved everything else. It will be a grand entry for Amtrak passengers and others who will once again enter into the city in a building worthy of it (no one emerges in the current Penn Station with and delusions of awe). It will be something the city can be proud of, rather than ashamed of. And rather than waiting for an MSG move that may never come, and after decades of talk, we are finally getting what was promised.

In a perfect world, we would get a new Penn Station on the current site (something also questionable due to the ballooned population of Penn Station on that site). But the perfect should not be the enemy of the good. And what we're getting at Moynihan is good, very good.
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I wonder what all these retail locations will be repurposed for when Amazon eats them alive.
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I wonder what all these retail locations will be repurposed for when Amazon eats them alive.
They'll do fine. Foot traffic, especially in pedestrian rich New York (not to mention Penn Station) will keep the afloat.
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I would agree with the optimism over the retail, especially in this location.

Regarding Moynihan Station, while not the perfect solution we're getting a lot better than we have now. It's definitely something welcome even if for the foreseeable future Dolan's presence with MSG limits what can be done with Penn Station itself.
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I wonder what all these retail locations will be repurposed for when Amazon eats them alive.
If retail can't survive in Penn Station, the busiest train terminal on earth outside Japan, then it can't survive anywhere.

Retail will be fine. Retail rents in Manhattan have never been higher. Amazon is opening retail stores too, including one right by Penn Station.
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