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Originally Posted by 10023
I think the issue with using vaccine checks as a tool of coercion, aside from the fact that it only works to a certain extent (eventually, and quite soon, they have to just give up on the real holdouts), is that it punishes those of us who are already vaccinated along with the unvaccinated.
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From a selfish perspective I see it as a net benefit for people like me. I would have gotten vaccinated regardless and making a venue vaccinated only lowers the risk for me. In practice it also means fewer limits on those venues. The table service requirement was just dropped here with the vaccine requirement in place. I'd rather have no table service + vaccines than tables service + no vaccines.
There are some valid complaints about the general poor administration of the vaccine passports which we all could have predicted.
I think it's been generally mischaracterized by the media on both sides but there's still an effect on spread even if the vaccines are nowhere near 100% effective at preventing infection months into the future. The unvaccinated are about 10x more likely here to test positive. There are many factors behind that but vaccination is likely to be a strong one.
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Generally speaking, this whole thing is being dragged out far too long because the people in power, and their whole generation (like some of our very own forumers here), are grumpy old folks who don’t miss out on anything they normally do.
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The worst aspect of it is that a lot of poor vulnerable people still had to work through the whole thing when we were supposedly locked down. The Wal-Mart clerks, chicken plant workers, line cooks, and Uber drivers didn't stop working, and plenty of them are high risk due to age or health problems. Lots of people live or work in crowded environments too and nothing really changed there.
The overall shape of the lockdown and who benefited closely matched the political contours that normally exist around here. Well-off Boomer aged people did great, there was a semi-meaningless carve-out for certain ethnic groups to make it feel progressive, poor did badly overall, etc.