NHL 2022-2023 season

[drew]

I suspect Kane would have realistically commanded a max 2-year contract with higher annual $$ on the UFA market - just based on his past history.

The oilers wanted to keep him, so they offered probably 2 more years than he would have got otherwise, at slightly less $$.

Well, the Oilers have him now. 4 years. Good luck with that. Hopefully they win the cup this year, because that is about as long as Kane can play Mr. nice guy.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

Gaudreau had the best season of his career in the last year of his contract, which lead to the Flames being what some considered a cup contender. Should the Flames have traded him mid season, just to say they got something back?

I’d consider that pretty good asset management, really.

They probably should have started contract negotiations with him a year ago. That way they could have gotten him at a lower value than they would have this summer. Poor asset management to let him walk for nothing.

Originally Posted by drew

I guess the Leafs better trade away Matthews before the deadline next spring. That would be good asset management considering his final year will have a NMC, and he sure as shit isn't staying there beyond 2023-24. Right?

I'm not a Leafs fan, for those who seem concerned with 'gotcha' statements like this.

If he wants to leave then yes, they should trade him if he has no interest in staying. Asset management 101.

Originally Posted by HomeInMyShoes

With Kiprusoff, there was talk of trading him a few years before he retired and they could have gotten something from him at that point instead of just riding him out to retirement and getting nothing.

Yes.

Originally Posted by HomeInMyShoes

That same statement could go for many players on many teams. Sedins in Vancouver.

Canucks decided to pretend like they were still a competitive team instead of trading them away when they had value. Same with Iginla in Calgary. Teams need to understand their developmental and competitive cycles in order to maintain asset allocation in the long-run. Know when you're rebuilding and when you're challenging. There's no use in finishing 10th every season.

[drew]

Originally Posted by JHikka

I'm not a Leafs fan, for those who seem concerned with 'gotcha' statements like this.

If he wants to leave then yes, they should trade him if he has no interest in staying. Asset management 101.

OK - name your team then. I will find another player to provide an example.

Just as it would be ludicrous for a team like the Leafs to trade Matthews for maximum "asset management" this coming spring - the same holds true for Calgary.

Even if Gaudreau told the Flames last spring he wasn't signing an extension, there is no way they trade him when you are leading your division. Use him as a rental for the playoffs, and go as far as you can.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by drew

OK - name your team then. I will find another player to provide an example.

I don't have one.

Originally Posted by drew

Just as it would be ludicrous for a team like the Leafs to trade Matthews for maximum "asset management" this coming spring - the same holds true for Calgary.

So then sign him to an extension. They had years to do so and did not.

Originally Posted by drew

Even if Gaudreau told the Flames last spring he wasn't signing an extension, there is no way they trade him when you are leading your division. Use him as a rental for the playoffs, and go as far as you can.

And then get nothing for him when he leaves after winning nothing. Asset management. Now they're stuck with a hole in their lineup and probably looking at blowing things up. Rebuilding would be a lot easier if they had gotten assets in exchange for Gaudreau, que sera sera.

[drew]

Originally Posted by JHikka

And then get nothing for him when he leaves after winning nothing. Asset management. Now they're stuck with a hole in their lineup and probably looking at blowing things up. Rebuilding would be a lot easier if they had gotten assets in exchange for Gaudreau, que sera sera.

Hindsight obviously - the Flames were clearly hoping for a better outcome. And understandably so.

[suburbanite]

Originally Posted by JHikka

I don't have one.


So then sign him to an extension. They had years to do so and did not.

I'm sure no one in Calgary thought of this. Lots of players don't want to sign early, especially in a frozen cap rate environment that we've had for the last two years. Even if Gaudreau knew he wanted out two years ago, any good agent would tell him to say all the right things and keep management on the hook. Always keep all options open until the moment you make a decision.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by suburbanite

I'm sure no one in Calgary thought of this. Lots of players don't want to sign early, especially in a frozen cap rate environment that we've had for the last two years. Even if Gaudreau knew he wanted out two years ago, any good agent would tell him to say all the right things and keep management on the hook. Always keep all options open until the moment you make a decision.

For the player this is obviously the right move, especially considering that Gaudreau can get his pick of options when he hits market. It's on the team to tie him down to term before things get drastic. It's up to the team if they want to try and retain Tkachuk at this point or if he's going to walk, too.

[Denscity]

Canucks definitely got faster with Ilya and Lazar that's for sure.

[theman23]

I'm not really sure you can fault the flames on this one. They clearly wanted Gaudreau to stay, probably thought they had a good chance at keeping him, and were hoping to build a contender around him. Not really analogous to all the aging stars that have been mentioned in this thread. When would they have traded him? He was having a career season and the Flames were looking like they could go on a run this year.

[mapleleaf66]

Originally Posted by drew

I suspect Kane would have realistically commanded a max 2-year contract with higher annual $$ on the UFA market - just based on his past history.

The oilers wanted to keep him, so they offered probably 2 more years than he would have got otherwise, at slightly less $$.

Well, the Oilers have him now. 4 years. Good luck with that. Hopefully they win the cup this year, because that is about as long as Kane can play Mr. nice guy.

The last two years of Kane's deal are for a cap hit of 1.25m and 1.33m. He has a full NMC for the first two years but then has to provide a list of 16 teams for a potential trade.

In other words there is almost no risk the last two years of this deal. So it is essentially a two year deal. And he wants to be in Edmonton. If he can score 30 goals he is a huge bargain.

He has two kids now and knows he's likely burned his last bridge. Plus he gets to play with two of the best players in the league. There is no question the Oilers are better than last year now.

[Denscity]

Gaudreau to Columbus

[theman23]

Left 18 million on the table…wow.

[thurmas]

Columbus ouch that's like the Winnipeg of Ohio that's a real step down in quality of life from Calgary to Columbus.

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by JHikka

I don't have one.


So then sign him to an extension. They had years to do so and did not.


And then get nothing for him when he leaves after winning nothing. Asset management. Now they're stuck with a hole in their lineup and probably looking at blowing things up. Rebuilding would be a lot easier if they had gotten assets in exchange for Gaudreau, que sera sera.

Sign him early? Agents specifically advise players not to sign at the start or halfway through their season, for exactly the reason why Johnny didn’t, because he would have left so much on the table rather than playing out his career season and get paid big$. And you can bet that the Flames did approach his representatives very early on.

[drew]

Originally Posted by mapleleaf66

The last two years of Kane's deal are for a cap hit of 1.25m and 1.33m. He has a full NMC for the first two years but then has to provide a list of 16 teams for a potential trade.

In other words there is almost no risk the last two years of this deal. So it is essentially a two year deal. And he wants to be in Edmonton. If he can score 30 goals he is a huge bargain.

He has two kids now and knows he's likely burned his last bridge. Plus he gets to play with two of the best players in the league. There is no question the Oilers are better than last year now.

IMO the oilers should expect one season, maybe a season and a half until he restarts his usual antics. To expect anything else at this point would be foolish.

Of course Kane does want to be in Edmonton, he can be pasted to the wing beside McDavid or Drai, put up big numbers and have his best chance at using these numbers to extend his career.

[Coldrsx]

Originally Posted by thurmas

Columbus ouch that's like the Winnipeg of Ohio that's a real step down in quality of life from Calgary to Columbus.

Spoken like someone who has never been there.

What a shithole...
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=251683

[Nicko999]

Originally Posted by thurmas

Columbus ouch that's like the Winnipeg of Ohio that's a real step down in quality of life from Calgary to Columbus.

LOL...

He will be able to buy a bigger house for the same money, taxes are also lower. I would take a guess infrastructure is top notch (especially in the wealthy neighborhood he will be in). What more could you ask?

Spoken like an ignorant person.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by Nicko999

LOL...

He will be able to buy a bigger house for the same money, taxes are also lower. I would take a guess infrastructure is top notch (especially in the wealthy neighborhood he will be in). What more could you ask?

Spoken like an ignorant person.

Calgary offered north of 10 million*8 years versus 9.7x7 . His after tax pay would be 500k higher in Calgary without any creative accounting.

[pegcityboy]

Columbus is fine , small downtown but interesting place , it’s not New York or Chicago but really every NHL city where players live is usually one of the nicest areas of the city and every city has good things about it if you really get down to it !

[craner]

I remember when Gio won the Norris thinking “they should trade him now”.