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Old Posted Aug 4, 2017, 1:28 PM
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Dafuq?

U.S. Steel Finds Buyer For 440-Acre South Works Site

https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2017...uth-works-site
While I am super happy that this looks like it is moving forward, what I am really hoping for, is that they build another CTA Elevated Train Line to and from this new neighborhood, to the Loop...make another line, and even actually make it as an Elevated BRT line, which will be cheaper than a "regular" train line. Add an official EL Stop for the neighborhood, and additional EL stops along the way to the loop!
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Old Posted Aug 4, 2017, 2:42 PM
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No, this is not on one of the CTA impacted blocks
The flyover may only graze the back corner of the lot, but this would seem like the ideal site for construction staging, especially if it's already owned by City government... site is the building under the number "6".

I wouldn't want to make a big investment in this area as a developer with so many unanswered questions about a massive infrastructure project that's literally inches from my site, where the design could change at any minute... although I guess it can't hurt to go through the rezoning process, worst case scenario is you can demand more money when CTA comes knocking.


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Old Posted Aug 4, 2017, 3:53 PM
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^ it's funny when they first announced the bypass and explained the buildings to be demolished, within months the Tops Pizza or whatever it was that's in the far northwest corner of the green buildings to be demolished embarked on a project to add a second story to their building - knowing full well it was slated for demolition.

I wonder if they were able to add that very cheaply and with low quality just knowing that maybe they'll get more $$ on the back end when it's demolished.
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Old Posted Aug 4, 2017, 4:38 PM
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^^I think the latter. My gym is CPG, which was next to Topps and their rent was jacked in Jan/Feb so they moved. My guess, and it is only a guess, is that the owner of the property is hoping to get a better deal from the CTA - saying that he has highly valuable rentable space.
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2017, 1:07 AM
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Lollapalooza 2017: What is the City of Chicago Getting?
http://chicagotonight.wttw.com/2017/...hicago-getting

“We need to have a conversation again about whether a giant festival like Lollapalooza is an appropriate use for a public park, given the fact that so many residents have moved to the Loop area and their public space is uninhabitable perhaps for weeks,” said Friends of the Parks Executive Director Juanita Irizarry, who says her group is preparing a guide to present to public officials on how to regulate the use of public parks for concerts.
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2017, 1:43 AM
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"We don't want people to have fun or enjoy museums or life"- Friends of the Park
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2017, 1:48 AM
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^ Lol

FOTP cares about parking. That's it.

If Lollapalooza came with their own parking lot, they wouldn't be complaining
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2017, 2:21 AM
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^ Lol

FOTP cares about parking. That's it.

If Lollapalooza came with their own parking lot, they wouldn't be complaining
The arrogance and sense of entitlement that FOTP displays never ceases to amaze me. They think they can dictate every issue that involves the parks.
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2017, 3:00 AM
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Lollapalooza 2017: What is the City of Chicago Getting?
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“We need to have a conversation again about whether a giant festival like Lollapalooza is an appropriate use for a public park, given the fact that so many residents have moved to the Loop area and their public space is uninhabitable perhaps for weeks,” said Friends of the Parks Executive Director Juanita Irizarry, who says her group is preparing a guide to present to public officials on how to regulate the use of public parks for concerts.
Parks are meant for festivals. This group is the absolute worst.
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2017, 3:09 AM
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I propose a name change: Friends of the Parks becomes....

Buttholes of America

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Old Posted Aug 6, 2017, 3:11 AM
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What kind of idiot would give a dime to FOTPLs?
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2017, 3:11 AM
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Parks are meant for festivals. This group is the absolute worst.
This isn't the Lucas Museum. They have zero chance of preventing Lollapalooza. Rahm would never allow that. It's too much of a cash cow for the city.
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2017, 3:14 AM
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This isn't the Lucas Museum. They have zero chance of preventing Lollapalooza. Rahm would never allow that. It's too much of a cash cow for the city.
I wish we could sue this idiot group out of existence. They should have to cover all the tax revenue the city lost from the museum they stopped to save a parking lot.
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2017, 3:26 AM
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What is FOTPLs angle here? That the park is meant for the public and that Lolla costs money? That it ruins some grass that Lolla actually gives money to the city now to repair? Not sure how they would argue this lawfully like they did with Lucas

Regardless, they're proving how ridiculous they are with this
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2017, 4:54 AM
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There's a lot of unhappiness among South Loop residents about the congestion and disruption Lolla brings each summer. Michigan and State are gridlocked for the whole week, South Side buses can't get through, sirens are pretty much nonstop on State, much of Grant Park is fenced off and inaccessible—some parts for several months, until the turf is replaced. Condo buildings have to put up security fencing and pay for extra guards and cleanup.

I don't mind Lolla personally, but it's a fair question whether such an enormous festival is compatible with a park that's also intended to serve local residents.
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So basically, a bunch of people who live downtown or right next to it are complaining about stuff like traffic congestion. No sympathy. They also live near Soldier Field which has tens of thousands of people come for football games and large concerts.

People are so inconsistent. Downtown Chicago is congested most of the year. If they don't like it, they shouldn't live in one of the densest and busiest parts of the entire country. There are plenty of other nice ave quiet parts of the city they can go. People who choose to live downtown and complain about "disruption" like a lot of traffic are the absolute worst.
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2017, 1:10 PM
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I wondered if there was a way for FOTP to become even more reviled. Seems there is.
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2017, 3:04 PM
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So basically, a bunch of people who live downtown or right next to it are complaining about stuff like traffic congestion. No sympathy. They also live near Soldier Field which has tens of thousands of people come for football games and large concerts.

People are so inconsistent. Downtown Chicago is congested most of the year. If they don't like it, they shouldn't live in one of the densest and busiest parts of the entire country. There are plenty of other nice ave quiet parts of the city they can go. People who choose to live downtown and complain about "disruption" like a lot of traffic are the absolute worst.
Precisely. I think Chicago is about 50 years behind the curve on this. In New York, massive amounts of tourism and congestion are a fact of life, and when you live in the midst of it you must accept it.

For large amounts of well-to-do people to live in such an environment is a relatively more recent phenomenon here, and perhaps there are growing pains.

But FotP just doesn't speak with a broad enough voice. They too often represent a heavily suburban, culturally conservative mindset (hence they are fine with Soldier Field parking lots used for tailgating--something they can relate to--but Lolla seems alien to them).
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^From what I know of FotP membership, they're very little suburbanites. But they are mostly lakefront residents, to be sure.

Their lodestar principle is for citizens to have some voice in how Chicago parks and forest preserves are run. Secondarily, they would mostly say that parks should be used as parks, not as private building sites or private festival grounds.

For many years they have opposed that Soldier Field parking lot, and have pointed out that it was the city that reneged on its promise to remove the Soldier Field lot.

Like any small nonprofit advocacy group, they have to pick their battles, and they've also been working to be more representative of Chicago's minority communities, communities that may have different priorities—like being able to park when they take the family to the beach. So they backed away from a fight over the new 31st Street parking area, and famously backed down from opposing the Obama Center.
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2017, 4:05 PM
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Grant Park is "Chicago's Front Lawn" it's not "intended for local residents"... Also, when grant Park was created there basically were no "local residents" because the loop was almost completely commercial and industrial...

Here's a novel idea: don't move next to the second largest business district in the country if you don't want to be inconvenienced by major events a few times a year...
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