NEW YORK | 343 Madison Avenue | 844 FT | 49 FLOORS - Page 17

chris08876 · #**321** Posted **Jun 16, 2021, 8:33 PM**

I don't even see why sidewalk sun exposure is even of concern in that area. They just have to walk a block East or West to see that they are all dark. I mean its a main CBD... with supertalls and sun light blocking towers. Even if they modified it, it wouldn't do much.

They seem to throw "existing zoning" to add a punch to it all. I guess to make it more serious than it really is.

NYguy · #**322** Posted **Jun 16, 2021, 8:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by chris08876

I don't even see why sidewalk sun exposure is even of concern in that area. They just have to walk a block East or West to see that they are all dark. I mean its a main CBD... with supertalls and sun light blocking towers. Even if they modified it, it wouldn't do much.

They seem to throw "existing zoning" to add a punch to it all. I guess to make it more serious than it really is.

It won’t do anything, really. I remember watching them when they were discussing it. These people were just grasping for something to throw at the developers. I’m sure they know that the developers don’t have to change a thing. Even for normal ULURP, the CB referral is only advisory. But because this is state property, that makes it even more of a moot point. City Planning can’t derail this.

NYguy · #**323** Posted **Jul 12, 2021, 5:11 PM**

From Gale Brewer…

https://www.manhattanbp.nyc.gov/weekly-newsletter-7-8/

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For the first time since February, 2020, the Manhattan Borough Board (made up of Manhattan Council members and Community Boards) will meet in person next Thursday (7/15) at 8:30 am in my office conference room at 1 Centre St., 19th Floor (South entrance). The meeting will also be livestreamed on my Facebook. On the agenda are four public hearings:

- 343 Madison Avenue/MTA HQ

NYguy · #**324** Posted **Jul 16, 2021, 2:58 AM**

July 15, 2021

NYguy · #**325** Posted **Aug 6, 2021, 4:19 PM**

Borough President Gale Brewer weighs in with her conditional approval...

NYguy · #**326** Posted **Aug 10, 2021, 8:30 PM**

https://www.dec.ny.gov/enb/20210804_not2.html

Notice of Acceptance of Draft EIS and Public Hearing
New York County (Manhattan)

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The New York City Planning Commission, as lead agency, has accepted a Draft Environmental Impact Statement on the proposed 343 Madison Avenue. A public hearing on the Draft EIS will be held in-person and remotely on August 18, 2021 at 10:00 a.m. in-person at 120 Broadway, 31st Floor , New York, NY 10271

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The Project Site, located in the East Midtown neighborhood of Manhattan, is owned by the MTA, from which BP is seeking approval of a net lease on the property. These actions (issuance of the special permits and approval of the net lease) together comprise the Proposed Action. The Proposed Action, which is expected to be completed by 2026, would facilitate the redevelopment of the Project Site with the Proposed Project - a new, approximately 925,630 gross square foot commercial office building up to 1,050 foot tall, with ground floor retail uses, below-grade space, and on-site and off-site transportation improvements to Long Island Railroad (LIRR) East Side Access (ESA) concourse and Grand Central - 42nd Street Subway Station.. The project is located at 341-347 Madison Avenue in Manhattan, New York.

NYguy · #**327** Posted **Aug 20, 2021, 12:34 AM**

From the City Planning meeting...

BK1985 · #**328** Posted **Aug 20, 2021, 12:53 AM**

This is really crisp and sleek. i really like the little details such as the red stairwells and the texture that separates the floorplates.

NYguy · #**329** Posted **Aug 20, 2021, 6:17 PM**

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^Yeah not too bad. A unique neighbor to 1 Vanderbilt and a good boost to the skyline in that area.

If that vertical garden in the crown is an amenity space open to tenants, it'll be something special.

Yeah, it'll be a nice space with incredible views. I think they mentioned in one of the earlier meetings that it was given in response to one of the concerns of the NIMBYs.

The B1M's take on the new terminal that's connecting all of the new skyscrapers with new street level entrances...

• Video Link

JMKeynes · #**330** Posted **Aug 20, 2021, 6:25 PM**

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Yeah, it'll be a nice space with incredible views. I think they mentioned in one of the earlier meetings that it was given in response to one of the concerns of the NIMBYs.

I had hoped that this tower would have had a well-defined crown like 147 E 47th St is getting. Fortunately, the garden up top should be nicely illuminated at night.

Anyway, this is an “only in NY” tower, since it’s an 1,100’ filler, and it’s a 950k sf “boutique.” This would be the centerpiece tower in every US skyline other than NY and Chi.

chris08876 · #**331** Posted **Aug 23, 2021, 2:56 AM**

Getting some 425 Park Ave vibes with the design. Almost like a mix of that and 7 WTC.

A welcomed addition once it rises.

JMKeynes · #**332** Posted **Sep 1, 2021, 12:36 PM**

https://newyorkyimby.com/2021/09/dem...manhattan.html

Demolition Imminent For KPF-Designed Supertall At 343 Madison Avenue In Midtown East, Manhattan

BY: MICHAEL YOUNG 8:00 AM ON SEPTEMBER 1, 2021

Demolition work is ramping up at 343 Madison Avenue, site of a 1,050-foot commercial supertall in Midtown East. Designed by Kohn Pedersen Fox and developed by Boston Properties, the 754,120-square-foot structure will yield 748,618 square feet of office space, 2,130 square feet of retail space, and 2,372 square feet of subterranean circulation paths to Grand Central Terminal and the future East Side Access project. The skyscraper is replacing a 105-year-old 15-story building between East 44th and 45th Streets that formerly housed the Metropolitan Transportation Authority headquarters.

At the time of our last update in early May, scaffolding already fully covered the existing structure. Since that time, thick black netting has been added, obscuring the brick and stone façade. It should only be a matter of time until the upper floors begin to be dismantled, and the building’s relatively short height could enable its full demolition to be completed by sometime this winter....

chris08876 · #**333** Posted **Sep 1, 2021, 3:19 PM**

Exciting stuff. Happy morning everyone!

Have folks noticed the uptick in recent developments? Now that the plague has winded down, the region is awakening. Returning to its roots, of building super talls and 100's of towers.

mrnyc · #**334** Posted **Sep 1, 2021, 4:57 PM**

oh i could live with this in my midsts.

very thoughtfully designed!

jbermingham123 · #**335** Posted **Sep 1, 2021, 8:54 PM**

sorry for off topic, and someone has probably answered this, but has anything ever been proposed for the block between this and vandy? does someone else own the air rights?

JMKeynes · #**336** Posted **Sep 1, 2021, 9:01 PM**

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sorry for off topic, and someone has probably answered this, but has anything ever been proposed for the block between this and vandy? does someone else own the air rights?

Milstein owns that and decided to sit tight for now. That will eventually be redeveloped.

mrnyc · #**337** Posted **Sep 1, 2021, 9:13 PM**

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Milstein owns that and decided to sit tight for now. That will eventually be redeveloped.

maybe, but not soon.

where did you hear that?

he just spent $750M to reno it.

https://www.wfw.com/press/wfw-advise...adison-avenue/

https://www.shoparc.com/projects/335-madison-avenue/

JMKeynes · #**338** Posted **Sep 1, 2021, 9:23 PM**

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maybe, but not soon.

where did you hear that?

he just spent $750M to reno it.

https://www.wfw.com/press/wfw-advise...adison-avenue/

https://www.shoparc.com/projects/335-madison-avenue/

I agree that it won’t be any time soon. I’m thinking in around 15 to 20 years.

JMKeynes · #**339** Posted **Sep 2, 2021, 3:09 PM**

Do the Midtown East Rezoning laws extend up to Madison and 55th? If so, I wonder when this obsolete waste of space, 555 Madison, will be redeveloped.

Also, can a developer add hotel and residential to a new building under the Midtown East Rezoning laws? I assume that it can in light of what's proposed for 175 Park. If that's the case, a hotel/condo/office tower on this prime spot would be amazing.

The same applies to 575 Madison.

NYguy · #**340** Posted **Sep 2, 2021, 4:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by jbermingham123

sorry for off topic, and someone has probably answered this, but has anything ever been proposed for the block between this and vandy? does someone else own the air rights?

They decided to wait, and I"m glad they did. Gives Vanderbilt more time to shine.

Here's a page from that thread...
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...8&postcount=32

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...54&postcount=3

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Originally Posted by JMKeynes

Do the Midtown East Rezoning laws extend up to Madison and 55th? If so, I wonder when this obsolete waste of space, 555 Madison, will be redeveloped.

Also, can a developer add hotel and residential to a new building under the Midtown East Rezoning laws?

Hotel requires a special permit, and residential is permitted to be no more than 20% in order to take advantage of the midtown east rezoning.

These are the borders: