HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > City Discussions


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #9461  
Old Posted Feb 21, 2022, 2:39 PM
bnk's Avatar
bnk bnk is offline
પટેલ. કે ન
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: chicagoland
Posts: 12,106
Quote:
Originally Posted by the urban politician View Post
2 points:

1. What part about "Mask advisory" is so hard for a certain group of elected leaders to understand? I don't get the need for top-down, authoritarian-style decrees that we all know creates WAY more backlash and instability than it is worth. What are we achieving here other than settling scores? Next time Flu season arrives, or next time the next COVID wave hits, they should instead issue "mask advisories". I bet you that it will lead to plenty of compliance without all of the outrage. Heck, I'll probably wear one more often--it's nice to know that I am making my own decisions.

2. Making a Flu variant extinct: believe it or not, this may not be a good thing. What we know about nature is that every niche gets filled by some new species/subspecies. Now that a niche has opened up, something else will eventually fill its place, and it could potentially be something we don't have a lot of immunity do. It's better to let the viruses that we have dealt with for millennia continue to circulate through the population.
Agree 100% with the bolded statement. We will never get rid of viruses. They have been around since the founding of life. They interact with all life forms, and are found in all ecosystems. They are by far the most numerous biological entity in existence.


Each person is harboring around 380 trillion viruses right now [ 10 times as the number of Bacteria] as we speak, millions of species. Many simply co-exist with you. [ FYI in your gastrointestinal tract alone you harbor over 2 pounds of bacteria, a kilogram or a bit more]

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...t%20with%20you.

"The human body is a super organism of cohabitating cells, bacteria, fungi, and most numerous of all viruses."

...

" Today we routinely talk about the "good" and "bad" bacteria in our lives, Viruses fall into the same category's."




Ever swam in the ocean? You are swimming in a virus soup.

https://theconversation.com/marine-v...2C000%20metres.

The oceans contain 10 to the 31st power of viruses [ one nonillion], More than stars in our universe. Enough to assign each star in the universe 100 million times over.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...ns-coronavirus

If all of the viruses on earth were laid end to end, they would stretch for 100 million light years,
https://www.nature.com/articles/nrmicro2644

This information was not known about viruses during Ped's time as a doctor. This is kind of newer more modern information. A bit over a decade ago doctors and researchers were barely aware the human virome existed. Latest numbers are saying almost or more than half of all of the biological matter in your body is not human.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-4367...22%20he%20says.

Last edited by bnk; Feb 21, 2022 at 3:34 PM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9462  
Old Posted Feb 21, 2022, 10:28 PM
pdxtex's Avatar
pdxtex pdxtex is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 2,881
Portland employers continue to cower in their sad covid caves of despair. City employees are expected back in the office by the end of April and Nike does not plan to return until May. Meanwhile on the east coast, Eric Adams and Michelle Wu are calling their city employees back right now. At least they are putting their money where their mouth is. Too bad CEOs aren't feeling the vibe.
__________________
Portland!! Where young people formerly went to retire.

Last edited by pdxtex; Feb 21, 2022 at 10:39 PM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9463  
Old Posted Feb 23, 2022, 3:29 AM
dchan's Avatar
dchan dchan is online now
No grabbing my banana!
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Fresh Meadows, NY
Posts: 2,757
Just came back from a mini vacation to Las Vegas. It's a total relief not to be forced to wear a mask everywhere there. This weekend was fairly crowded with President's Day and a mid-winter recess for school kids. I would say mask-wearing rate was around 10-20%, so I basically didn't bother at all.

Anyway, I'm back to wearing a mask on the subway, inside supermarkets, and at my office 5 days a week now in NYC.
__________________
I take the high road because it's the only route on my GPS nowadays. #selfsatisfied
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9464  
Old Posted Feb 23, 2022, 1:31 PM
10023's Avatar
10023 10023 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: London
Posts: 21,129
^ There’s no way I would go to an office if they made me wear a mask. It’s bad enough when you have to do it for something you enjoy (like travel by plane).

Just tell them to call you when they drop the mask rule, until then you’ll be working from home.
__________________
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9465  
Old Posted Feb 23, 2022, 2:39 PM
the urban politician the urban politician is offline
The City
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Chicago region
Posts: 20,779
^ I wear a mask at work, have done it since March 2020.

Difference is, when I am sitting in my office I don't wear it. Just when I go out to see patients. So it's not that bad at all
__________________
The only thing better than a V10 is a V12
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9466  
Old Posted Feb 23, 2022, 3:58 PM
eschaton eschaton is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 4,555
My work still has a "masks on when out of your office" rule, but I'm inside my office the vast majority of the day. I actually have a "work mask" (has a logo on it) which I only wear in the office.

My "home mask" is mostly for when I take the bus these days, since there's mandatory masking rules there. Though I like wearing it outside on cold days. I started not wearing it when I go into stores based upon context (if the employees and most of the customers mask, I will, otherwise, no).

Other than making my glasses fog up, and making the bottom part of my beard look stupid, I don't see what the hassle is with wearing a mask TBH. Yeah, it's mostly hygiene theatre at this point, but it's just developed into a social norm in some situations, and it likely will continue for another month or two.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9467  
Old Posted Feb 23, 2022, 4:15 PM
10023's Avatar
10023 10023 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: London
Posts: 21,129
Quote:
Originally Posted by the urban politician View Post
^ I wear a mask at work, have done it since March 2020.

Difference is, when I am sitting in my office I don't wear it. Just when I go out to see patients. So it's not that bad at all
You’re a doctor. Your job entails seeing lots of sick and elderly people.

It’s arguable whether it’s justified for a regular consult or most patients, and there’s no reason people should be wearing them for office or other jobs.
__________________
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9468  
Old Posted Feb 23, 2022, 4:29 PM
Vlajos Vlajos is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,099
Quote:
Originally Posted by 10023 View Post
You’re a doctor. Your job entails seeing lots of sick and elderly people.

It’s arguable whether it’s justified for a regular consult or most patients, and there’s no reason people should be wearing them for office or other jobs.
It is ridiculous at this point. But the worst is our kids are still being forced to wear them all day in school.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9469  
Old Posted Feb 23, 2022, 4:41 PM
JManc's Avatar
JManc JManc is online now
Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 34,522
Quote:
Originally Posted by 10023 View Post
^ There’s no way I would go to an office if they made me wear a mask. It’s bad enough when you have to do it for something you enjoy (like travel by plane).

Just tell them to call you when they drop the mask rule, until then you’ll be working from home.
You would if you had to. I was supposed to go back to work in January where masks were required at all times except eating and conference rooms but they pushed WFH until the summer where I hope the mask BS will be over by then. Including getting on a plane.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9470  
Old Posted Feb 23, 2022, 4:49 PM
iheartthed iheartthed is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: New York
Posts: 7,362
My office requires proof of vaccination so I haven't worn a mask inside since I returned to the office last summer. The only requirement is to wear masks in shared areas of the building (lobby, elevators, hallways, etc).
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9471  
Old Posted Feb 23, 2022, 4:50 PM
photoLith's Avatar
photoLith photoLith is online now
Ex Houstonian
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Carnegie
Posts: 14,749
Its crazy to me that many people still are forced to wear masks and kids at schools when covid poses virtually 0 threat to them.

But many people still live in fear of this crap. On CNN right now there are these fear mongering articles.

As Omicron cases fall, doctors anxiously await possible surge of dangerous child complication MIS-C

Why I'm scared about mask mandate rollbacks
__________________
Neoliberal Fascists are destroying the Left.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9472  
Old Posted Feb 23, 2022, 4:52 PM
iheartthed iheartthed is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: New York
Posts: 7,362
If I worked in a school I'd want those little germ factories masked until they got vaccinated.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9473  
Old Posted Feb 23, 2022, 4:57 PM
kool maudit's Avatar
kool maudit kool maudit is offline
video et taceo
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Stockholm
Posts: 12,972
Iceland is about to become the first country, I think, to not only waive its domestic COVID requirements, but those for travellers as well.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9474  
Old Posted Feb 23, 2022, 5:10 PM
photoLith's Avatar
photoLith photoLith is online now
Ex Houstonian
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Carnegie
Posts: 14,749
Quote:
Originally Posted by iheartthed View Post
If I worked in a school I'd want those little germ factories masked until they got vaccinated.
Why? It’s like you guys don’t get it. Even if you’re vaccinated you still get the virus.
__________________
Neoliberal Fascists are destroying the Left.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9475  
Old Posted Feb 23, 2022, 5:11 PM
pdxtex's Avatar
pdxtex pdxtex is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 2,881
Our company is only worried about getting sued by a state health agency. Company offices in Idaho and Utah, no mask required. But ppl are dropping like flies in Oregon. Ooookay.
__________________
Portland!! Where young people formerly went to retire.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9476  
Old Posted Feb 23, 2022, 5:15 PM
iheartthed iheartthed is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: New York
Posts: 7,362
Quote:
Originally Posted by photoLith View Post
Why? It’s like you guys don’t get it. Even if you’re vaccinated you still get the virus.
Exactly. The kids pose a risk to the adults that run the school.

I was triple vaxxed and got it, so I do understand that the vaccine isn't impenetrable. But until omicron, it was extremely effective at reducing spread.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9477  
Old Posted Feb 23, 2022, 5:26 PM
Vlajos Vlajos is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,099
Quote:
Originally Posted by photoLith View Post
Why? It’s like you guys don’t get it. Even if you’re vaccinated you still get the virus.
Exactly, I can't even count how many people I know that had 2 shots and a booster and still got infected. Most barely got sick and certainly had no real complications, but transmission still occurs to those who are vaccinated. And we have silly mask mandates, which clearly do nothing. There is no reason to force anyone to wear a mask in school or anywhere for that matter. If somone is obese or immunocompromised, they should get special treatment or stay home, but for the vast majority of us, there is no purpose to any of this.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9478  
Old Posted Feb 23, 2022, 5:33 PM
Steely Dan's Avatar
Steely Dan Steely Dan is online now
devout Pizzatarian
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Lincoln Square, Chicago
Posts: 26,852
the absolutely absurd contagiousness of omicron really proved how silly the masks are.

fucking everybody and their brother got omicron here in chicago despite all the masking.

get your shots.

or don't.

then move the fuck on.

this is our world now.

yes, some people will get sick and die.

that is true.

but that has always been true.
__________________
"every time a strip mall dies, an angel gets its wings"
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9479  
Old Posted Feb 23, 2022, 5:38 PM
chris08876's Avatar
chris08876 chris08876 is online now
NYC/NJ/Miami-Dade
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Riverview Estates Fairway (PA)
Posts: 42,033
^^^

The plague will touch all.

Yeah same here in PA. A ton of folks. Masks, face shields, double masks... did nothing. They all got it.

I had my Covid positive GF cough in my mouth (I knew she was positive but she still came over), and didn't feel nothing days after. Why? The power of Pfizer!

This has always been a right of passage. The virus will cull the weak and those not slated for a ticket to continue in this century. That's how nature works. But thanks to vaccines and our immune system, life continues.

This has been occurring since the era where we used bones and rocks as tools. 7.9 billion folks in the present, we are still around.

On a side note, but historically, Malaria has been terrible. Malaria is probally more of a threat than Covid. Covid might of killed more in an acute sense in terms of the last two years but Malaria continues its spree and has been for 1000's of years. Billions of folks dead throughout our history due to Malaria.

Mosquitos are the enemy of the people. No convoys on that.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9480  
Old Posted Feb 23, 2022, 5:39 PM
SAN Man SAN Man is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Nov 2021
Location: San Diego, California
Posts: 725
Quote:
Originally Posted by dchan View Post
Just came back from a mini vacation to Las Vegas. It's a total relief not to be forced to wear a mask everywhere there. This weekend was fairly crowded with President's Day and a mid-winter recess for school kids. I would say mask-wearing rate was around 10-20%, so I basically didn't bother at all.

Anyway, I'm back to wearing a mask on the subway, inside supermarkets, and at my office 5 days a week now in NYC.
I just came back from a mini vacation in Mexico. Bars, restaurants, hotels were packed to the gills. I also saw 4 cruise ships come and go. None of the tourists were wearing masks and very few locals wore a mask. California dropped their 2 month long indoor mask mandate on 2/15. Most places I have been going to in San Diego have not been requiring or enforcing the use of masks at their place of business before the expiration date, unless it was a big national chain type place.

Because I flew in and out of Tijuana, a covid test was not required on either end of the trip. Apparently Covid doesn't cross the border on foot, it's science! My friends that got a Covid test to re-enter the US weren't ask to show their results. I filled out a health questionnaire from a Mexican official government website and I was never asked to show that upon entering Mexico.
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > City Discussions
Forum Jump


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 6:36 PM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.