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Old Posted Jan 18, 2022, 7:25 AM
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Walking 4 miles in below freezing weather was probably more dangerous than any threat Covid could ever pose. Just sayin.
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The NICU here is full of newborns with complications from Omicron (to the extent that the resident who did our intake said they're taking any babies that are at all sick directly to the NICU so that they can be monitored for complications) . Sure they probably don't die most of the time, but it doesn't sound fun to not be able to take your baby home (and if you're COVID+, you're not allowed to visit the NICU, or at least that's what our OB said when he urged us not to get COVID before delivery).

But thanks (and if you think I'm cautious about COVID, you should meet my wife... She walked 1.8 miles both ways in below-freezing weather when 38 weeks pregnant to her OB appointments because she didn't want to risk getting COVID in a bus or Uber, then she waited standing up outside the waiting room for 40 mins because another patient wasn't wearing her mask correctly).
Yeah, I mean when it comes to women giving birth, I generally make an exception for my criticism of overly protective and irrational behavior. You can't argue with women/Moms

And babies are truly such a gift. So whatever.....
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2022, 3:28 PM
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Walking 4 miles in below freezing weather was probably more dangerous than any threat Covid could ever pose. Just sayin.
Nah. Did it all the time when I lived up north. If it's 20 to 30 degrees, not a big deal if you're bundled up. Even better if suns out.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2022, 3:40 PM
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Yet there you are complaining and unable to deal with restrictions.
Toughen up and tighten that mask.
brain dead response. I feel sorry for you.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2022, 3:42 PM
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This argument is so old and tired.

Absolutely nobody on this side of the Atlantic is talking about measures beyond vaccination and wearing masks in limited (mainly indoor) circumstances yet you keep bringing up "turning the world upside down" or other complete straw men.

I guess the modern term is "gaslighting". But your comments amount to pretty much nothing else.

What is turning the world upside down at the moment is the number of people sick with covid who cannot or should not work (just as if they had a bad cold except this number of people never get colds all at once). And if they were all vaccinated and wore masks when it is the sensible thing to do (and maybe, yes, limited indoor public socializing to times and places that are terribly important to them), it's likely fewer of them would be sick all at once and the world wouldn't be quite so turned upside down.
Yes we didnt have rolling lockdowns, restrictions, travel bans, mask requirements all over the country and world for the last two years.

We are crazy! That never happened! Delusional
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2022, 3:45 PM
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The NICU here is full of newborns with complications from Omicron (to the extent that the resident who did our intake said they're taking any babies that are at all sick directly to the NICU so that they can be monitored for complications) . Sure they probably don't die most of the time, but it doesn't sound fun to not be able to take your baby home (and if you're COVID+, you're not allowed to visit the NICU, or at least that's what our OB said when he urged us not to get COVID before delivery).
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As of January 12th https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisiona...-Yea/nr4s-juj3

Please read the data

259 people under the age of 4 have died of covid 19 259 out of millions of children.

259

If we include everyone under the age of 18 its just over 800

You are hysterical if you think there is a risk to children.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2022, 3:48 PM
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Yes we didnt have rolling lockdowns, restrictions, travel bans, mask requirements all over the country and world for the last two years.

We are crazy! That never happened! Delusional
Compared to Europe, Australia, Canada, etc., our restrictions were actually pretty tame. Here in Texas, they were virtually non existent since early last year. Haven't worn a mask since then apart to travel, visiting California or going to doctor.
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Yes we didnt have rolling lockdowns, restrictions, travel bans, mask requirements all over the country and world for the last two years.

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Nowhere in the U.S. is talking about lockdowns in response to Omnicron as far as I'm aware. There's two different discussions here; what was an appropriate response from March 2020 - Dec 2020, and what is an appropriate response post widespread vaccine availability.
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Yeah, I mean when it comes to women giving birth, I generally make an exception for my criticism of overly protective and irrational behavior. You can't argue with women/Moms

And babies are truly such a gift. So whatever.....
All the recent papers coming out saying that covid in the last month is associated with a ~fourfold increase in fullterm stillbirth / neonatal death really scared her (though in their samples all the fetal/neonate deaths are in unvaccinated women, these studies are also pre omicron when vaccinated women were less likely to get sick). Probably more dangerous than listeriosis and you can bet she ate absolutely nothing that could be considered risky for that.
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Absolutely.

I still have friends (or really acquaintances at this point) in the US who are posting things in their IG stories to the effect that the CDC “isn’t doing anything” as Omicron “ravages” the country. They live in places like Brooklyn and LA, so I know they can’t help it, but honestly. They’ve given you a very effective vaccine and you can wear a mask or not go out if you want. What the fuck do you want, to be told to stay home again? Jesus Christ.
My theory with these people is they have placed being afraid and cautious as virtues in their own backwards moral framework.

These are hollow empty people and being terrified of covid is actually the most meaningful thing they have probably done.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2022, 3:52 PM
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Nowhere in the U.S. is talking about lockdowns in response to Omnicron as far as I'm aware. There's two different discussions here; what was an appropriate response from March 2020 - Dec 2020, and what is an appropriate response post widespread vaccine availability.
Once we realized the actual risks of covid in the spring or summer of 2020 all restrictions should have been lifted.

I luckily dont live in some of these delusional places, I couldn't believe how much worry and concern new England has over covid still when I have lived my life mostly unmolested in Arizona for more than a year.

People walking alone outside with masks on, avoiding me on the sidewalk. Pure insanity
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2022, 3:57 PM
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As of January 12th https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisiona...-Yea/nr4s-juj3

Please read the data

259 people under the age of 4 have died of covid 19 259 out of millions of children.

259

If we include everyone under the age of 18 its just over 800

You are hysterical if you think there is a risk to children.
Yes we have great neonatal care that makes death unlikely. No we don't want to send our 2-day old daughter to the NICU. If you read recent news articles omicron is certainly hospitalizing many more infants than earlier variants for steroidal treatment. Things don't have to be fatal for you to want to avoid them...
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2022, 4:01 PM
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Yes we have great neonatal care that makes death unlikely. No we don't want to send our 2-day old daughter to the NICU. If you read recent news articles omicron is certainly hospitalizing many more infants than earlier variants for steroidal treatment. Things don't have to be fatal for you to want to avoid them...
I dont know how to put this any other way.

Statistically speaking parents are more likely to murder their own newborns than newborns dying of covid.

What can I do to help you understand the vast improbability of covid being an issue for your child.

How can I fit it into your head that you are not properly understanding the actual risks to your child. Its borderline irresponsible.
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Nah. Did it all the time when I lived up north. If it's 20 to 30 degrees, not a big deal if you're bundled up. Even better if suns out.
Her normal coat didn't fit her so she was wearing my heavy parka that I use for working outside in Greenland. She would have likely been comfortable down to -40. (Ice is the bigger danger of course, though they're pretty good about clearing the sidewalks here). .
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I dont know how to put this any other way.

Statistically speaking parents are more likely to murder their own newborns than newborns dying of covid.

What can I do to help you understand the vast improbability of covid being an issue for your child.

How can I fit it into your head that you are not properly understanding the actual risks to your child. Its borderline irresponsible.
Yes and statistically speaking you're unlikely to die from being castrated. Doesn't mean I don't want to avoid that.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2022, 4:08 PM
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Yes and statistically speaking you're unlikely to die from being castrated. Doesn't mean I don't want to avoid that.
How can you possibly think that's a reasonable response?

Yes causing major bodily harm and an amputation to yourself is highly risky

How is that analogous to your child catching covid. I truly am dumbfounded how you can see the reality right in front of you and still, without blinking, continue with your COVID fantasy.

I linked the CDC data in my post.

How??????????? Truly how????
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2022, 4:31 PM
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People act irrationally when the news broadcasts covid fear porn constantly for the past two years, it warps their thoughts and makes them overreact to a tiny slight threat of getting sick and nearly no threat of dying if you are vaccinated.

Meanwhile, for those vaccinated, driving is way more dangerous than any threat covid ever has posed, its way more dangerous even when everyone was unvaccinated if you were under the age of 80.

12,000 people under the age of 17 die from injuries every year. Yet you dont see parents wrapping their children up in bubble wrap to prevent accidental injuries from happening.

Like Obadno stated, 259 children have died of covid, that is absolutely no cause for concern, like at all.

608 child passengers age 12 and younger died in motor vehicle crashes in 2019. So, children are twice as likely to die in a car wreck then covid, yet you dont see society freaking out at all over that. In reality, shouldnt everyone be losing their minds twice as hard over car accident deaths in children?
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^ I'd be more than happy if we finally outlawed cars once and for all!

They're WAY more fucking dangerous than stupid covid for like 90% of the population.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2022, 5:27 PM
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^ I'd be more than happy if we finally outlawed cars once and for all!

They're WAY more fucking dangerous than stupid covid for like 90% of the population.
Lets just cut to the chase and outlaw Danger, Death and Dismemberment.

Problem solved!
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608 child passengers age 12 and younger died in motor vehicle crashes in 2019. So, children are twice as likely to die in a car wreck then covid, yet you dont see society freaking out at all over that.
In the first year of the pandemic around here, covid was #8 for cause of death across all age groups. For younger people it is much lower. There were more years of life lost to drug poisonings/overdoses (fentanyl etc.).

The typical response to this framing is that if we had not freaked out about covid a vastly larger number of people would have died. Many people said the fatality rate is about 1% so around 1% of people would have died with no lockdown or mitigation measures. Then on top of that there is the "healthcare system collapse" theory which states that if the covid hospitalizations hit a certain point the deaths go dramatically higher than just the covid deaths. How this actually happens usually isn't spelled out.

I think that's all a bit unrealistic/hysterical and obviously was never how things played out but that view had a big impact on the perceived severity here, even just a few months ago. It seems to be losing some support now, and even our public health officials have pointed out that mitigation measures aren't working very well and the hospital numbers are dubious (they are just a count of whoever tests positive while in the hospital, not net impact of covid on the system).

Another theory was that the government has to tell people what to do (everybody is a wooden block/idiot) so if for example you implement a mask mandate 100% of people will wear masks (or all except for the evil people) and without it 0% will wear masks. Therefore if masks do anything, 100% of the gain is attributable to mandates. This is very common thinking not specific to covid. You hear it a lot from people who think that if the government could just control everything we would live in a utopia. Unfortunately it is not how things work in the real world.

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