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Old Posted Aug 19, 2021, 5:20 PM
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I think this is partially correct. But since we are on an economic forum, having all of the hospitals in one location may or may not have health care synergies for a patient, but it does create business synergies.

I'd love to see the IMD grow to be more like the TMC for these reasons. With Chicago's resources and the room to expand at the IMD, it's got a shot to nip at its heels over the next few decades. But the TMC is better managed and isn't standing still. It isn't helpful to pretend that the TMC isn't enviable.
First off, I typed "suggestive" when I meant "subjective" - since corrected. You make some points, but: 1) Making it easier for pharma or medical tech salesmen to peddle their drugs or equipment adds diddly to economic development, or better health outcomes; 2) With modern technology, members of the same industry don't need to be across the street from each other. In the "old days," major banks grouped along LaSalle because, for instance, they had to physically deposit with and pick up checks from the Fed every day. It's all electronic today. Bank of America is moving to Wacker, BMO Harris to across the river. Chase is rumored to be moving somewhere else, etc. Law firms had to physically deliver documents to the courts and to each other. Now that's also all electronic. Chapman & Cutler will move into the new BMO Harris building, Kirkland & Ellis is moving farther away from federal and state courts to Wolf Point, etc; 3) Professionals move because of career opportunities and/or money, not because the new position is across the street. I doubt if any doctor relocated from Mt. Sinai in NY to MD Anderson in Houston just because Baylor is just a few block away and MAY make a better offer. 4) If CVS were to relo to Chicago - which it won't because Walgreen's is already here - it won't be because of any "benefits" of being in the IMD or the North Shore. CVS retails drugs (and junk food) and provides health insurance, it doesn't make drugs or med equipment or provide health care. It might poach a payroll clerk from AbbVie or Rush, but it doesn't need drug researchers or doctors; 5) A concentration of an industry in a metro area is a good thing, but players don't need to be within a few block of each other.

Having said all this, I too would love to see the IMD grow and think it may not have made enough effort, but to approach the size of the TMC (and it's the sizzle, not the size that matters), it would have to attract some 5 major hospitals. And that just AIN'T gonna happen. Chicago still beats Houston as a major center for the health industry, IMC or TMC growth or not.
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2021, 5:39 PM
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1) Making it easier for pharma or medical tech salesmen to peddle their drugs or equipment adds diddly to economic development, or better health outcomes; 2) With modern technology, members of the same industry don't need to be across the street from each other. In the "old days," major banks grouped along LaSalle because, for instance, they had to physically deposit with and pick up checks from the Fed every day. It's all electronic today. Bank of America is moving to Wacker, BMO Harris to across the river. Chase is rumored to be moving somewhere else, etc. Law firms had to physically deliver documents to the courts and to each other. Now that's also all electronic. Chapman & Cutler will move into the new BMO Harris building, Kirkland & Ellis is moving farther away from federal and state courts to Wolf Point, etc; 3) Professionals move because of career opportunities and/or money, not because the new position is across the street. I doubt if any doctor relocated from Mt. Sinai in NY to MD Anderson in Houston just because Baylor is just a few block away and MAY make a better offer. 4) If CVS were to relo to Chicago - which it won't because Walgreen's is already here - it won't be because of any "benefits" of being in the IMD or the North Shore. CVS retails drugs (and junk food) and provides health insurance, it doesn't make drugs or med equipment or provide health care. It might poach a payroll clerk from AbbVie or Rush, but it doesn't need drug researchers or doctors; 5) A concentration of an industry in a metro area is a good thing, but players don't need to be within a few block of each other.
Respectfully, you are simply wrong about this. All of those things have an impact in the way you suggest, but having networks of business services co-located has a huge impact on growth and effectiveness. I've personally hired people in a medical-service field in Texas in the last three years and we put one in Dallas because of the airport connections and the other in Houston because of TMC, when we were considering Dallas for that one as well. Those sorts of things add up over and over. Costs are slightly lower for hospitals and positions are open for slightly shorter amounts of time and getting lunch with a specialist from another institution is easier and this all creates a small advantage in responsiveness and profit. And those small differences in rates end up being significant magnitudes over periods of years.

Furthermore, I know two physician couples that relocated to Houston rather than some other city because of the TMC. In both cases the primary earner had his choice of jobs and took the Houston position because his spouse could get a good position in another hospital at the Med Center.

I could write examples like this all day. Literally. Your intuition is incorrect on the subject and no one who is experienced in the matter would agree with you.
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I dunno, the hotel business has been hammered and this is not exactly a primo downtown location either. I assume they will not take the risk until Covid has abated.
But wasn't it supposed to be one of those specialty extended stay hotel for hospital patients?
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Can we chill on the Houston Medical Center vs IMD debate? It's not very entertaining...

IMD is going to turn into an extension of downtown given the upzoning. All these lots are toast in the next 20 years, calling it now...
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New owner of failed Mandarin Oriental Hotel development will keep prime site vacant
Patrick Hotung, owner of 130 E. Lake: ‘Now is not a time to be putting up any new buildings”


"The East Loop location is still considered a prime piece of property because of its easy access to Michigan Avenue, Lake Michigan and Grant Park as well as the Aon Center. The zoning is still in place to develop a massive office or residential tower if and when the market can bear it"

https://therealdeal.com/chicago/2021...e-site-vacant/
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Patrick Hotung, owner of 130 E. Lake: ‘Now is not a time to be putting up any new buildings”
Interesting. Also, the Real Deal Chicago still exists??
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But wasn't it supposed to be one of those specialty extended stay hotel for hospital patients?
No, just a Hampton Inn & Suites. Don't forget that two hotel flags just came online in the old Cook County Hospital too. I'm skeptical that there's any more room for hotel growth in this small submarket right now...
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It actually just came out to bid last week... for the fourth time....

Anticipated construction start: November.

Completion: January 2023
I'm surprised, but nothing about IMD Gateway has proceeded as-expected.

I guess the nice thing about a big, robust hotel market is that there's always somebody who is a bull when everyone else is bearish... I guess you can do that if there's a lot of equity in the project instead of debt.
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^^^ Well they got the land virtually free and the retail component has been a resounding success. They have like four or five AAA credit tenants already and the parking lot is packed every day. I suspect the retail component of the residential tower will see similar leasing. Also I can't imagine they will have a hard time finding residential tenants given the total dearth of class A housing in the area. Their only competition is the tower I believe Marquette cos is rehabbing by the Eisenhower. I'd say they have lots of equity at this point..
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