% in urban areas over 500,000 by country

Docere · #1 Posted **Dec 19, 2023, 3:19 AM**

% in urban areas over 500,000 by country

Japan 71%
Australia 64%
US 53%
Canada 51%
UK 39%
France 33%
Germany 29%
Italy 29%

Source is Wikipedia for urbanized areas; for Canada all population centres over 500,000 plus added Oshawa and Milton to Toronto, Abbotsford and White Rock to Vancouver, Kanata to Ottawa and St. Jerome to Montreal.

iheartthed · #2 Posted **Dec 19, 2023, 5:57 PM**

Is this just a random list of countries, or a top X percent? Over half of South Korea lives in the Seoul metro alone, so I suspect it is probably above 70% in total. I also suspect that other countries in Asia rank pretty high too, like China, Thailand, Indonesia, etc. And Singapore would obviously be 100% lol.

Other countries that are probably above 50%: Brazil, Chile, Russia, maybe Spain.

Docere · #3 Posted **Dec 19, 2023, 6:10 PM**

An incomplete list. Feel free to add to it.

Nite · #4 Posted **Dec 19, 2023, 6:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by iheartthed

Is this just a random list of countries, or a top X percent? Over half of South Korea lives in the Seoul metro alone, so I suspect it is probably above 70% in total. I also suspect that other countries in Asia rank pretty high too, like China, Thailand, Indonesia, etc. And Singapore would obviously be 100% lol.

Other countries that are probably above 50%: Brazil, Chile, Russia, maybe Spain.

this isn't metro it's urban area.
Only 17% of Korea live in the urban area of Seoul (8.8 out of 51.7 million)
http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/urban_2020_1.html

Docere · #5 Posted **Dec 19, 2023, 6:18 PM**

Looks like it's been done:

http://www.demographia.com/db-worldua.pdf

iheartthed · #6 Posted **Dec 19, 2023, 6:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Nite

this isn't metro it's urban area.
Only 17% of Korea live in the urban area of Seoul (8.8 out of 51.7 million)
http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/urban_2020_1.html

The city of Seoul is bigger than 8.8 million, so I think that's probably off.

Docere · #7 Posted **Dec 19, 2023, 6:48 PM**

South Korea 69%
Japan 62%
Australia 64%
Saudi Arabia 64%
US 55%
Argentina 51%
Canada 48%
Mexico 45%
Colombia 43%
Malaysia 43%
South Africa 43%
Brazil 40%
Turkey 40%
Spain 39%
UK 38%
Iran 37%
Russia 37%
Angola 36%
Iraq 34%
Venezuela 34%
China 33%
Germany 31%
Morocco 31%
Thailand 31%
Syria 30%
France 29%
Italy 29%
Indonesia 28%
Philippines 27%
Ukraine 27%
Vietnam 27%
DR Congo 26%
Uzbekistan 26%
Kazakhstan 25%
Pakistan 25%
Nigeria 24%
India 19%
Poland 19%
Bangladesh 17%

Crawford · #8 Posted **Dec 19, 2023, 6:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by iheartthed

The city of Seoul is bigger than 8.8 million, so I think that's probably off.

Seoul likely has well over half of Korea's population. Incheon is the second biggest Korean city, and right next store. The whole area is a metro by western standards. And nonmetropolitan Korea is emptying out like crazy.

Docere · #9 Posted **Dec 19, 2023, 9:01 PM**

Some other European nations (via Wikipedia):

Austria 21%
Belgium 28%
Denmark 27%
Greece 41%
Netherlands 29%
Portugal 39%

iheartthed · #10 Posted **Dec 19, 2023, 9:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by Crawford

Seoul likely has well over half of Korea's population. Incheon is the second biggest Korean city, and right next store. The whole area is a metro by western standards. And nonmetropolitan Korea is emptying out like crazy.

I believe Busan is slightly more populated than Incheon, but yeah, point taken. Seoul's main airport is in Incheon, so it would be like excluding Newark from NY metro.

Obadno · #11 Posted **Dec 20, 2023, 7:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Docere

% in urban areas over 500,000 by country

Japan 71%
Australia 64%
US 53%
Canada 51%
UK 39%
France 33%
Germany 29%
Italy 29%

Source is Wikipedia for urbanized areas; for Canada all population centres over 500,000 plus added Oshawa and Milton to Toronto, Abbotsford and White Rock to Vancouver, Kanata to Ottawa and St. Jerome to Montreal.

How "Urban area" is defined needs to be changed in the USA exurban sprawl and "cities" of 25,000 people spread out along a highway are considered "urban area" it makes no sense.

Are we really going to pretend like the USA is more urban than Germany? Just looking at the average densities totally makes this laughable.

Crawford · #12 Posted **Dec 20, 2023, 7:30 PM**

I'd say U.S. is much more urbanized than Germany. Not more traditionally urban, of course, but Germany is more a discrete collection of interconnected villages, small towns and midsized cities, while the U.S. is more these giant sprawls of low density regions and then nothing (in the West) or just random scattered homes (in the East).

Bailey · #13 Posted **Dec 20, 2023, 9:12 PM**

This is not a fair representation.

Italy has many super dense urban cities but few are metros "greater than 500,000"

They just don't have those huge sprawling monsters.

Docere · #14 Posted **Dec 20, 2023, 9:33 PM**

Italy is hardly a slouch when it comes to having big cities - three big cities of 3-4 million (Milan, Naples, Rome) and Turin is pretty big too (1.7 million).

But it's "only" 71% urban, lowest share in the G7. Italy has a substantial rural population and no geography basically devoid of people.

wwmiv · #15 Posted **Dec 21, 2023, 2:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by Docere

Italy is hardly a slouch when it comes to having big cities - three big cities of 3-4 million (Milan, Naples, Rome) and Turin is pretty big too (1.7 million).

But it's "only" 71% urban, lowest share in the G7. Italy has a substantial rural population and no geography basically devoid of people.

Florence and Naples are both above 1 million on most metrics, Palermo and Bari on some metrics are over 1 million, and a dozen other urban areas are over 500k.

Italy may very well become one of the more urban G7 countries within the decade, given the ongoing rural demographic collapse and Meloni’s immigration preferences.

Docere · #16 Posted **Dec 21, 2023, 5:20 PM**

Yeah, I don't see how Italy is getting "short-changed" here.

nito · #17 Posted **Dec 28, 2023, 6:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by Obadno

How "Urban area" is defined needs to be changed in the USA exurban sprawl and "cities" of 25,000 people spread out along a highway are considered "urban area" it makes no sense.

Are we really going to pretend like the USA is more urban than Germany? Just looking at the average densities totally makes this laughable.

There isn’t a uniform definition on what constitutes an urban area, but more importantly, cities across the globe have also developed along divergent lines due to historical, geographical, as well as policy and planning decisions to prevent or enable sprawl. The list isn’t looking to the level that urbanity, but the level of sprawl that is embraced.

Yuri · #18 Posted **Jan 30, 2024, 10:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by Docere

South Korea 69%
Japan 62%
Australia 64%
Saudi Arabia 64%
US 55%
Argentina 51%
Canada 48%
Mexico 45%
Colombia 43%
Malaysia 43%
South Africa 43%
Brazil 40%
Turkey 40%
Spain 39%
UK 38%
Iran 37%
Russia 37%
Angola 36%
Iraq 34%
Venezuela 34%
China 33%
Germany 31%
Morocco 31%
Thailand 31%
Syria 30%
France 29%
Italy 29%
Indonesia 28%
Philippines 27%
Ukraine 27%
Vietnam 27%
DR Congo 26%
Uzbekistan 26%
Kazakhstan 25%
Pakistan 25%
Nigeria 24%
India 19%
Poland 19%
Bangladesh 17%

According to 2022 Brazilian Census data, 90,955,499 people live on metro/urban areas above 500,000 inh. or 45% of total population.

I separated them on categories and this census showed a collapse of big metro areas growth. It was probably due Covid, economic malaise and some undercounting:

------------------------------------ 2022 ------- 2010 ------- 2000 ------- Growth

Code:

Above 2 million -------- 66.305.493 -- 63.787.525 -- 56.715.615 --- 3,95% -- 12,47%
1 million to 2 million - 11.660.148 -- 10.468.543 --- 8.909.168 -- 11,38% -- 17,50%
500k to 1 million ------ 12.989.858 -- 11.091.551 --- 9.251.905 -- 17,11% -- 19,88%
250k to 500k ----------- 14.122.492 -- 12.408.513 -- 10.535.949	-- 13,81% -- 17,77%
100k to 250k ----------- 17.649.434 -- 15.746.280 -- 13.580.485	-- 12,09% -- 15,95%
50k to 100k ------------ 20.504.061 -- 18.775.110 -- 16.619.696	--- 9,21% -- 12,97%
Under 50k -------------- 59.831.026 -- 58.470.209 -- 54.186.352	--- 2,33% --- 7,91%

The big stars were the mid-sized cities on the wealthier centre-south. Brazilian agribusiness has became powerhouse as the country desindustrialize.

I intend to open a new category, under 25k as there is a massive difference between a 50k and a 1k people urban area, but it would be too much work.

Yuri · #19 Posted **Jan 31, 2024, 3:18 PM**

By citypopulation.de, UK is actually 55%, Germany 43%, France 31% and Belgium 28%.

Those lists are probably focused on city boundaries, not urban areas.

MolsonExport · #20 Posted **Jan 31, 2024, 5:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by Crawford

Seoul likely has well over half of Korea's population. Incheon is the second biggest Korean city, and right next store. The whole area is a metro by western standards. And nonmetropolitan Korea is emptying out like crazy.

Metro Seoul easily is half of South Korea's population, and it is gaining (like Tokyo), proportionately, on the rest of the country