3EC Like it love it or hate it?

[Doug_Cgy]

Originally Posted by lorenavedon

what? do you have anymore info on this?

It is not being redesigned.

[geotag277]

Originally Posted by lespoir

I like its exterior design....but checking into the details, and I found they lack a few important touches. Look at all the upper level units over $1 mil, they do not even have fireplaces in these expensive suites. I asked the Sales agents a few times over the months about how many layers of glass walls the building will be constructed, and they just said they do not know. The floor map shows 3-lines of the glass walls for exterior, but likely they will put only two layers as the standard. 3-layer walls would be much better for sound proof in the crazy downtown siren environment. The sales agent always said that not final details and can be fixed later, but not sure I want to sign a contrast with over $1 million intent to buy a condo yet, they have no details.

What are the upper level units like? Do you have info on square footage range, price range, and # of bedrooms available? The only thing I've seen so far are the 600 sqft 2 bedrooms as part of "phase 1".

[lorenavedon]

Originally Posted by geotag277

What are the upper level units like? Do you have info on square footage range, price range, and # of bedrooms available? The only thing I've seen so far are the 600 sqft 2 bedrooms as part of "phase 1".

I went recently. There are no details, no info, no timeframe to start construction, noting. Their estimated completion date is 2017 but that's really based off of nothing as far as I can tell given the lack of information I was getting. There was zero info on phase 2 apart from "bigger more expensive units". No timeframe for when they will go on sale etc. If Shaw wasn't an anchor tenant in this building I'd be calling it vaporware

[TallBob]

^^ Loren: No! You kind of pay attention to the history of some of this stuff. This project has been marketed for what, 3 1/2 years. They finally land a tenant (Shaw), so then you start feeling good about it's chances. Then come some changes here and their. I'd like to see what kind of a contract Shaw signed! I might be wrong, there has been one or two slight design changes and something with the Bp... You tell me! I'm just throwing a thought or two out there.

[craner]

Originally Posted by Spring2008

Still no pile drivers here yet?? What's going on!??

Probably waiting till the new year now.

[Spring2008]

If there's no activity here within the next week or so, is it fair to say this project is dead?

[Design-mind]

When I went to the sales centre in May, they said it was a go for June if the weather cooperated. Unfortunately it didn't but seriously it is now January!

[Surrealplaces]

If I had to guess, I would say the project isn't dead, but that something is on hold somewhere, maybe the BP?

[MichaelS]

Originally Posted by Design-mind

When I went to the sales centre in May, they said it was a go for June if the weather cooperated. Unfortunately it didn't but seriously it is now January!

I would be surprised to see it die, as Shaw has signed up for the office space.

[lorenavedon]

tower crane positioning issue in relation to the other eau Claire tower going up across the street. I know there are proximity limits and I think the way the other tower crane is positioned makes it problematic for the 3EC one to go up. Might be a long wait if that's the case

[Chadillaccc]

They could still at least commence with excavation of the site. Do they need a tower crane to pour the foundation and parking levels?

[mersar]

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

They could still at least commence with excavation of the site. Do they need a tower crane to pour the foundation and parking levels?

No, but its a lot more work/expensive to do it without. Without a crane you'd need more street lane closures to accommodate the pump trucks, and mobile cranes for doing work that you need a crane for (such as lifting forms) which the city charges for. Then you have to pay for the operators of those equipment, and use of that equipment itself. Tower cranes could work out to be fairly cheap in comparison, which is why we've been seeing more of them on smaller scale projects than we used to.

So any proximity issue could impact the timeline as if they may need to change the plans for how the building is constructed to meet whatever requirements they've been forced to deal with from the adjacent site. That or they could just wait to start until a point so that by the time excavation is completed that the other crane may have been taken down.

[Full Mountain]

Originally Posted by mersar

No, but its a lot more work/expensive to do it without. Without a crane you'd need more street lane closures to accommodate the pump trucks, and mobile cranes for doing work that you need a crane for (such as lifting forms) which the city charges for. Then you have to pay for the operators of those equipment, and use of that equipment itself. Tower cranes could work out to be fairly cheap in comparison, which is why we've been seeing more of them on smaller scale projects than we used to.

So any proximity issue could impact the timeline as if they may need to change the plans for how the building is constructed to meet whatever requirements they've been forced to deal with from the adjacent site. That or they could just wait to start until a point so that by the time excavation is completed that the other crane may have been taken down.

Proximity should be able to be solved by use of a luffer style crane no?

[TallBob]

lorenavadon: Tower Crane positioning.... How do they do it in New York, Chicago?

[craner]

Originally Posted by lorenavedon

tower crane positioning issue in relation to the other eau Claire tower going up across the street. I know there are proximity limits and I think the way the other tower crane is positioned makes it problematic for the 3EC one to go up. Might be a long wait if that's the case

Oh great, it's bad enough that stupid chubby stubby getting built but now it is holding up construction of 3EC as well.

[outoftheice]

For what it's worth, I walked by the site yesterday and there were 3 construction guys onsite with a small digger moving dirt around. Definitely nothing substantial or anything resembling a start to construction but perhaps a sign that the project's not completely dead.

[H.E.Pennypacker]

I don't think the developer would go as far as closing the parking lot, and prepping the site for construction only to bail on it

Must be a hold up with the BP or something - maybe in relation to Eau Claire Tower

[Deepstar]

Originally Posted by TallBob

lorenavadon: Tower Crane positioning.... How do they do it in New York, Chicago?

Probably the same way as they would here, but waiting for the other crane to be higher.

[Deepstar]

Originally Posted by outoftheice

For what it's worth, I walked by the site yesterday and there were 3 construction guys onsite with a small digger moving dirt around. Definitely nothing substantial or anything resembling a start to construction but perhaps a sign that the project's not completely dead.

I doubt it's completely dead, but definitely something holding things up.

[geotag277]

The City should get better with approving permits on time. These developments can be very time sensitive and every delay in breaking ground can have serious financial consequences for the stakeholders.