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Old Posted Apr 19, 2017, 5:01 AM
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PHILADELPHIA | 8th & Race | 185 FT | 12 FLOORS | CANCELLED

Title: 8th & Race
Project: Residential, office/commercial, hotel, retail
Architect: Wallace, Roberts & Todd
Developer: Pennrose
Location: 800 Race St., Philadelphia, PA
Neighborhood: Chinatown
District: Center City
Floors: 12 floors
Height: 185 feet



Pennrose-led group chosen to develop sprawling city-owned site in Chinatown

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A team led by the developer Pennrose has been selected to build a complex of dwelling units, offices, hotel rooms, and shops on the largest remaining parcel of municipally owned land in Center City.

The Pennrose-led group was chosen largely on the strength of its proposed architecture and site plan for the 3.2-acre lot at Chinatown’s eastern edge, Philadelphia Redevelopment Authority executive director Gregory Heller said in an interview Monday.

Philadelphia-based Pennrose, which is partnering with the Philadelphia Bar Foundation on its proposal for the lot occupying most of the area bounded by Race Street and the Vine Street Expressway, between Eighth and Ninth Streets, was selected over a team led by Parkway Corp., also based in Philadelphia.

Pennrose’s plan entails a 14-story, 160,000 square foot office building for legal aid organizations; an 11-story, 150-unit apartment tower; 55 units of affordable senior housing; a 147-room Comfort Inn hotel; and a 143-spot parking lot. Ground-floor retail is planned throughout the complex, which is being designed by the architecture firm WRT LLC of Philadelphia and San Francisco.
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http://www.philly.com/philly/busines...Chinatown.html

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https://www.philadelphiaredevelopmen...20RFP%29_0.pdf

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Old Posted Apr 19, 2017, 12:04 PM
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Excellent project that will add to the vibrancy of the area with some nice new modern architecture.
     
     
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So there are 180 surface parking spaces? That doesn't sound great.

Also, what's the purpose of the "Open Space" - it seems aimless. You can enter at 8th and Race and walk...where...into the Vine Street Expressway?

This feels more like a mid-20th century "projects" - or flawed urban planning similar to Park Towne Place - where you drop random buildings in the middle of green space. It always comes off as uninteresting and uninviting and ultimately fails.
     
     
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So there are 180 surface parking spaces? That doesn't sound great.

Also, what's the purpose of the "Open Space" - it seems aimless. You can enter at 8th and Race and walk...where...into the Vine Street Expressway?

This feels more like a mid-20th century "projects" - or flawed urban planning similar to Park Towne Place - where you drop random buildings in the middle of green space. It always comes off as uninteresting and uninviting and ultimately fails.
Could be wrong, but isn't the open space & diagonal walk bc they can't build overtop of the broad st spur? I'm fairly sure the site had engineering limitations affecting the placement of the main structures.
     
     
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Could be wrong, but isn't the open space & diagonal walk bc they can't build overtop of the broad st spur? I'm fairly sure the site had engineering limitations affecting the placement of the main structures.
Interesting if that's true, thanks for pointing that out.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2017, 4:58 PM
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This site actually has to deal with 2 tunnels. The CCT for regional rail is under the parking lots to the left of the rendering.
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What exactly is the Equal Justic Center?
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What exactly is the Equal Justic Center?
The office building will have a large amount of space devoted to consolidating all of the legal aid organizations that are currently spread around Center City.
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As others have pointed out, this is a real challenging site with a lot of limitations. Overall i think this project addresses them as capably as possible and it looks great. The equal justice center also sounds like a very worthwhile endeavor and a great public asset.

If this gets built exactly as designed, this is a homerun.
     
     
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The office building will have a large amount of space devoted to consolidating all of the legal aid organizations that are currently spread around Center City.
Pardon my ignorance, So, its like a legal branch of City Government?
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2017, 4:20 AM
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Pardon my ignorance, So, its like a legal branch of City Government?
Legal aid organizations are non-profits that provide legal representation to people that couldn't otherwise afford it in circumstances like bankruptcy, divorce, domestic violence, immigration, and landlord-tenant disputes. It is my understanding that most these organizations rely on a mix of paid staff, probono attorneys, and volunteer interns. An example of such an organization is Community Legal Services.
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If this gets built exactly as designed, this is a homerun.

Don't hold your breath on this design. It would be very good if built, but to me, this concept and the proposal that didn't get picked, looks like it got put together with a minimum of costs in a short amount of time. We will see; but this would be a great spot for a couple buildings that stand out, in a good way.
     
     
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http://www.philly.com/philly/busines...-20170815.html

not quite breaking news, but the developer behind this appears to have some deeper pockets now. hopefully this partnership will lessen the likelihood of financing snags moving forward.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2017, 9:25 PM
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Any news on this??

A read last week that Pennrose is building a 120-unit apartment complex in Old New Castle, Delaware ... but haven't heard anything regarding this ambitious project since April.
     
     
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Any news on this??

A read last week that Pennrose is building a 120-unit apartment complex in Old New Castle, Delaware ... but haven't heard anything regarding this ambitious project since April.
I was just thinking about this project the other day. About a month ago, I spoke to someone who holds a fairly high position in Pennrose. They gave me general information about the project, but nothing groundbreaking. This project is certainly going to happen at some point though. Didn't the RFP call for the developer to have sound financing in place?

This project is going to give the area surrounding Franklin Square a huge shot in the arm. This will be amplified if the city sends out an RFP to redevelop the Roundhouse.
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Some good information here, including a potential construction start: late October 2018. Not sure how updated this is, but based on how specific some of the info is, it seems like it’s definitely in process.
     
     
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hope they can pull the money today. parking by ez park. i'm wondering if that will be a revenue stream for them...meaning they get a cut of the parking fee.
     
     
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Good news! Looks like this is finally going to Design Review! Doesn't look like the design has changed at all from previous renders.

http://www.phila.gov/CityPlanning/pr...0626-small.pdf
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2018, 7:18 PM
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Is 2018 the year of infills in Philadelphia. Lots of big parking lots going away feels like.
     
     
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I was looking over the plans for this so called equal justice building and noticed something interesting, the 'affordable rate' apartments are all on floors 2 thru 4, and the 'market rate' apartments are all on floors 5 thru 12. Each has its own lobby, its own elevators, its own outdoor terrace, and community rooms. For a place with 'equal justice' in it's name, I think this enforced division between the haves and the have less folk is, to say the least, unfortunate. How about brown sink people on floors 2 and 3, black skinned folk on 4 and 5, yellows on 6 and 7, then the so called whites on 8 thru 12. That would never be accepted, but we are willing to divide people along economic lines? If this is really true, then I'm pissed off (plus, they should have at least 1 floor of underground parking)
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