CHICAGO | Marriott Marquis McCormick Place | 444' | 40 FLOORS - Page 6

vxt22 · #**101** Posted **Jan 29, 2014, 6:31 PM**

This whole project is really an awful example of the modern version of stimulus-type development via public funds, planned from on high with zero relation to anything under where this flying saucer will land.

The chess lofts gets a token sliver left over as a kind of affirmative action facadectomy. The ABC complex is in danger of being severely altered, ram-rodded, and generally placed completely out of the context it's in now. The little Prairie mansion is likely to be demolished instead of moved.

Everything is going to be covered in glass because, after all, Chicago is a WORLD city, right? And therefore it must look identical to all other contemporary WORLD cities, right? And it's got to cover an entire city block, yeah? Mega-block development!! Boy this has nothing to do with Chicago or Chicagoans...

And on top of all this it's been proved again, and again, and again that sports stadiums show no real return on investment for the public or businesses nearby...

This is just lazy DO-SOMETHING-ism on the part of a city that will not fix the widely known sources of local economic lag.

And the TIF program marches boldly onward while the serfs scream "CORRUPT!" and nobody cares. Shame on Rahm, McPier, and everyone associated with this project.

k1052 · #**102** Posted **Jan 29, 2014, 6:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright

I include that under "necessary equipment" just as I would include the cooling towers and other HVAC equipment that will be needed. The point is that the infrastructure, location, and structure are all nearly perfect and all they need to do is install the equipment they need which includes servers, security systems, HVAC, generators, etc..

Also, they might not even need a generator at this site if they have an Automatic Throwover Switch (ATS) with dual (or even more rarely triple) feeds to two different transformer yards. Typically an ATS is greatly preferred to a generator backup as it is seen as more reliable in all but the most extreme power failures. That really depends on the level of clients they are pursuing though as certain clients will even back up the ATS with a generator just in case of a radical event where all the power in the entire region goes down, not just one yard or another. However, if something like that happens you are a pretty fucked anyhow as the odds are that the relay stations along the fiber lines will go down due to the power outage as well completely cutting your internet connection. There is not much you can do to plan for widespread/regional blackouts.

The emergency power generators for 350 Cermak are wedged into a pie shaped piece of land next to the busway just to the north of the building. IIRC, there is a couple hundred thousand gallons worth of diesel fuel tucked away somewhere on the property too. For the ever escalating price that companies are paying there they most definitely have fully grid independent backup power available.

simon07 · #**103** Posted **Jan 29, 2014, 7:01 PM**

Mchugh got fucked big time on this.

Tom In Chicago · #**104** Posted **Jan 30, 2014, 10:52 PM**

edit

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chicagogreg · #**105** Posted **Jan 31, 2014, 1:04 AM**

While the base in the newer renders is not bad by any means, it would be unfortunate to lose that slick base in the original rendering.

Mr Downtown · #**106** Posted **Jan 31, 2014, 1:58 AM**

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Originally Posted by simon07

Mchugh got fucked big time on this.

Maybe. Or perhaps they just got lucky, because instead of being forced to sell at quick-take "market value" they can now develop the smaller hotel and participate in the investment.

spyguy · #**107** Posted **Feb 8, 2014, 8:31 PM**

And then the revised McCormick Marriott hotel by Gensler - this thing is going to be huge compared to everything nearby:

Justin_Chicago · #**108** Posted **Feb 8, 2014, 8:45 PM**

Wow. A new 200M+ skyscraper on the south side. I love watching the skyline extend South and West.

BVictor1 · #**109** Posted **Feb 8, 2014, 9:30 PM**

LoL.....

I knew it was going to be up there.

If it maintains this height, it would be only about 20' shorter than One Museum Park.

BVictor1 · #**110** Posted **Feb 8, 2014, 9:40 PM**

chicagogreg · #**111** Posted **Feb 8, 2014, 9:42 PM**

The McCormick hotel is relatively far south from the tall south loop cluster...this would have a pretty impressive skyline impact

marothisu · #**112** Posted **Feb 8, 2014, 10:14 PM**

60 some floors == ...700 footer possibly?

ChiTownCity · #**113** Posted **Feb 8, 2014, 10:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by marothisu

60 some floors == ...700 footer possibly?

It shows 715' on the drawing

marothisu · #**114** Posted **Feb 8, 2014, 10:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by ChiTownCity

It shows 715' on the drawing

I see it now. Thanks and awesome!

munchymunch · #**115** Posted **Feb 9, 2014, 1:42 AM**

Kind of unrelating... but does anybody know anthing about this
http://chicago.curbed.com/archives/2...p?mobile=false

ardecila · #**116** Posted **Feb 9, 2014, 2:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by vxt22

chess lofts... facadectomy

Chess Lofts is across 21st from the arena and it won't be touched by this plan. It will face the truck elevator but the underground turntable in the arena should prevent trucks from having to back up, eliminating the problem that occurs when sleeping yuppies hear backup warning signals.

the urban politician · #**117** Posted **Feb 9, 2014, 2:03 AM**

Whether or not you like what this project will do to hotel occupancies, you've gotta love what this will do to the skyline as well as injecting activity to that part of town

Ch.G, Ch.G · #**118** Posted **Feb 9, 2014, 2:08 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by vxt22

This whole project is really an awful example of the modern version of stimulus-type development via public funds, planned from on high with zero relation to anything under where this flying saucer will land.

The chess lofts gets a token sliver left over as a kind of affirmative action facadectomy. The ABC complex is in danger of being severely altered, ram-rodded, and generally placed completely out of the context it's in now. The little Prairie mansion is likely to be demolished instead of moved.

Everything is going to be covered in glass because, after all, Chicago is a WORLD city, right? And therefore it must look identical to all other contemporary WORLD cities, right? And it's got to cover an entire city block, yeah? Mega-block development!! Boy this has nothing to do with Chicago or Chicagoans...

And on top of all this it's been proved again, and again, and again that sports stadiums show no real return on investment for the public or businesses nearby...

This is just lazy DO-SOMETHING-ism on the part of a city that will not fix the widely known sources of local economic lag.

And the TIF program marches boldly onward while the serfs scream "CORRUPT!" and nobody cares. Shame on Rahm, McPier, and everyone associated with this project.

lol

wierdaaron · #**119** Posted **Feb 9, 2014, 3:24 AM**

Looks like the design did chang. It was a bouquet, now it's a Wii.

scalziand · #**120** Posted **Feb 9, 2014, 3:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by munchymunch

Kind of unrelating... but does anybody know anthing about this
http://chicago.curbed.com/archives/2...p?mobile=false

There was some discussion about this in the Chicago highrise projects and construction thread, starting on this page;
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...59437&page=595

There is also a thread on that project on Skyscrapercity:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1672674