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Old Posted Aug 26, 2014, 10:55 PM
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The whole "options for mass transit in the future" is a bunch of bull. It might not even be feasible to retrofit it with rail in the future. Same goes for the other bridge.
Good observation.

I'm starting to notice that as well. Where can they fit train tracks in?

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NY already has the highest gas tax. No thank you.
California has the highest (weighted average) gasoline tax in the USA. NY is #2. CT is #3.
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Reminds me of chopsticks. Not a bad design though
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It's a shame the old one can't stay as a ped bridge or even a hotel like they tried in Cincy.
A pedestrian bridge with $20 tolls, I'll bet.
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EPA rejects most of NY's $511M Tappan Zee loan

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(Bloomberg) -- A $511 million loan approved by a New York environmental agency to help fund the construction of a new $4 billion Tappan Zee Bridge was rejected almost entirely by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

The loan approved by the New York State Environmental Facilities Corp. in June was meant to drive down borrowing costs for the new span across the Hudson River, with half of it being provided at zero interest. The state said it could use the funds from a program that targets clean-water projects.

The EPA said in a letter to state officials Tuesday that building a new bridge doesn't fit the intention of the program, which is backed by federal dollars. The agency said only $29.1 million could be allowed.

"Construction activities arising from transportation projects do not advance water quality," Joan Matthews, the regional director of the clean water division, wrote in the letter, which was posted on the EPA's website. "No other state has made a request of this type or magnitude."

Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a 56-year-old Democrat, has made building a new Tappan Zee a priority, comparing it with the 19th-century construction of the Erie Canal. About 20 miles north of Manhattan, construction of the bridge is among the nation's largest public-works projects.
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Skeleton of Tappan Zee Bridge’s Successor Begins to Surface in the Hudson
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TARRYTOWN, N.Y. — The shape of the new Tappan Zee Bridge is emerging from the green-gray waters of the Hudson River.

Steel piles drilled into the river’s muck and bedrock are beginning to reveal the trail the bridge will take to leap the three miles that separate Westchester and Rockland Counties.

The Erector Set-like skeleton of the first of 86 pairs of columns that will support the twin-spanned bridge rises 40 feet in the air near the Westchester side, waiting to be entombed in concrete that will be poured from an inventive floating concrete plant.
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The numbers for the lyrical construction of the new bridge are impressive. Fourteen miles of cable in 192 separate strands will eventually be unspooled, enough to stretch from Tarrytown to the Bronx; the cable will be strung from the main-span towers to carry the steel deck. Before the end of the year, according to Ro DiNardo, the project’s general superintendent, and other officials, the first huge pieces of prefabricated steel deck are to be hoisted into place, the heaviest requiring a giant floating crane, which made its way to New York last winter from Oakland, Calif., through the Panama Canal.
I guess those pieces belong to the part of the bridge that is suported by pillars and not the main, cable stayed, span.

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The full bridge will be supported by a total of 86 piers, or columns, most of them to bolster the long approaches to the bridge’s main span. The shortest piers, on the low shore of the South Nyack side, where the water is eight feet deep at low tide, are to rise 50 feet above the waterline; the tallest, near the bluffs of Tarrytown, will rise 130 feet. Unlike the main towers, the approach piers sit on prefabricated concrete tubs weighing 700,000 pounds each.

In total, 300,000 cubic yards of concrete, 30,000 truckloads, will be needed to build the bridge. To pour all this concrete, Tappan Zee Constructors has built a concrete plant on a 200-foot-long barge that can be ferried to wherever pouring is needed.

“We can mix the concrete right on the river so we don’t have to worry about concrete getting old,” said Mr. Waters, who has handled large construction projects in the Middle East and Europe.
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The plant has three silos of cement and hoppers filled with the sand and stone to be mixed with it. It can produce 125 cubic yards of concrete per hour. A second plant will be towed over this month or early next month, as more concrete is needed. Officials say the floating plants are also environmentally congenial, greatly reducing the number of trucks that rumble through the residential neighborhoods on the two sides of the bridge.



Again, I guess that is part of the pillars of the approches of the bridge.




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Old Posted Oct 6, 2014, 3:13 PM
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"I Lift NY" aka the "Left Coast Lifter" is travelling up the Hudson today to join the construction site. I don't think it'll see any action until 2015, but my guess is that they're moving it up before the winter ice sets in.
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^^^^^^

The power of these cranes is incredible:

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One of the world's largest floating cranes has arrived at the Tappan Zee Bridge construction site.

The mammoth blue and white crane bearing two American flags arrived on a barge Monday after traveling up the Hudson River from Jersey City.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo says he feels an "emotional connection" to the crane because it's saving New York over a billion dollars.

It's being used on work to replace the bridge connecting Rockland and Westchester counties.

The new $3.9 billion bridge is slated to open in 2018.

The floating crane can lift 1,900 tons, or 12 times the weight of the Statue of Liberty.

It had been berthed in Jersey City since January, after it completed a 6,000-mile journey from San Francisco through the Panama Canal.
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anybody see the new 'ichabod crane' yet?
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The rail in this country is not even respected by the majority of power brokers and money men so I wasn't surprised when they dropped the transit. If this were Europe, the rail would be no questions asked. Shame, but that's the USA for you.
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The rail in this country is not even respected by the majority of power brokers and money men so I wasn't surprised when they dropped the transit. If this were Europe, the rail would be no questions asked. Shame, but that's the USA for you.
Totally correct aquablue.

This Tappan Zee Bridge would never be approved in Europe for a construction start unless there were rail connected to the bridge. The politicians would realize that it would be political suicide to implement this project without rail traffic on the bride. The common people would have been furious.

The Europeans do not build bridges and other big infrastructure projects unless public transport is included. Cost what it wants, but it is the greatest benefit to society to invest in public transportation than cars. Unfortunately the USA is a backward country and a underdeveloped country when it comes to rail traffic and public transportations. Both Asia and Europe is light years ahead. See the Oresund Bridge between Sweden and Denmark, where the fast trains go under the bridge, it would cost more than the entire bridge politicians counted out just for the rails before Construction. But it was never an option to not build rails because they knew that it was profitably in longterm. The bridge opened in summer 2000 and in 2010, bridge had been paid only by the train passengers 4 times over. It's cheaper to take the train then the car because Europeans loves public transportations more then the car and thats the right way to go. Time to learn from those who knows better. AMEN
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Totally correct aquablue.

This Tappan Zee Bridge would never be approved in Europe for a construction start unless there were rail connected to the bridge. The politicians would realize that it would be political suicide to implement this project without rail traffic on the bride. The common people would have been furious.

The Europeans do not build bridges and other big infrastructure projects unless public transport is included. Cost what it wants, but it is the greatest benefit to society to invest in public transportation than cars. Unfortunately the USA is a backward country and a underdeveloped country when it comes to rail traffic and public transportations. Both Asia and Europe is light years ahead. See the Oresund Bridge between Sweden and Denmark, where the fast trains go under the bridge, it would cost more than the entire bridge politicians counted out just for the rails before Construction. But it was never an option to not build rails because they knew that it was profitably in longterm. The bridge opened in summer 2000 and in 2010, bridge had been paid only by the train passengers 4 times over. It's cheaper to take the train then the car because Europeans loves public transportations more then the car and thats the right way to go. Time to learn from those who knows better. AMEN
Cheap flights on planes killed passenger train service in N. America decades ago. Currently a litre of gasoline costs roughly $.90 is USA compared to say $1.90 in Europe. So road trips by car are still a viable option. I am not against trains at all, from my childhood until my mid-30s I used public transit exclusively (subways, commuter trains) to get around locally. But when I traveled to visit relatives I flew because I had to cross an ocean Europe's geography and population are also more closely concentrated than in N. America, where people are generally more spread out. So flying sometimes makes the most sense.
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NY's congestion problem should have been enough to get them to put the money for rail. You dont want more cars going into Manhattan from the suburbs really, it is far too congested already.
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anybody see the new 'ichabod crane' yet?
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NY's congestion problem should have been enough to get them to put the money for rail. You dont want more cars going into Manhattan from the suburbs really, it is far too congested already.
Yes, I was speaking mainly about city to city rail transportation. Of course for such a densely populated city like NYC expanding commuter train services is a no brainer. Also bridges just for cars is an out-moded post-WW2 concept, any replacement or rehab should at least include pedestrian and bike ways for a cheaper option, and a long-term plan for extending rail service.
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The worst part is that in the future, if Stewart Airport is needed as a real airport for NYC someday (given the difficulty of getting runways built at the existing airports), they won't have the option of reaching it the Hudson Line and will have to go via Jersey.
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As of this week, the Environmentalists are suing because the state is using federal clean water funds to help build this bridge. Essentially they think that this lawsuit will stop this 500 million plus development.
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As of this week, the Environmentalists are suing because the state is using federal clean water funds to help build this bridge. Essentially they think that this lawsuit will stop this 500 million plus development.
The issue is misappropriation of funds meant for environmental remediation and management to a highway project, not to stop the bridge. Anyone following this bridge construction knew that this was a nearly indefensible use of that money.
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Totally correct aquablue.

This Tappan Zee Bridge would never be approved in Europe for a construction start unless there were rail connected to the bridge. The politicians would realize that it would be political suicide to implement this project without rail traffic on the bride. The common people would have been furious.

The Europeans do not build bridges and other big infrastructure projects unless public transport is included. Cost what it wants, but it is the greatest benefit to society to invest in public transportation than cars. Unfortunately the USA is a backward country and a underdeveloped country when it comes to rail traffic and public transportations. Both Asia and Europe is light years ahead. See the Oresund Bridge between Sweden and Denmark, where the fast trains go under the bridge, it would cost more than the entire bridge politicians counted out just for the rails before Construction. But it was never an option to not build rails because they knew that it was profitably in longterm. The bridge opened in summer 2000 and in 2010, bridge had been paid only by the train passengers 4 times over. It's cheaper to take the train then the car because Europeans loves public transportations more then the car and thats the right way to go. Time to learn from those who knows better. AMEN
Yeah, but no. I'm on your side in that putting a double track railway on it would make sense in the long run, your Europe example just isn't true. Look at Förbifarten (using the local name since your location is tagged as being here): no public transit element, possibly world-record long motorway tunnel with sprawl and increased modal share for cars (including worse traffic in the long run) as the main effects. Still it might get built!
Europe is paragon of virtue when if comes to infrastructure. No-where is.
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