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Old Posted Sep 11, 2022, 9:20 PM
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Not too shabby.

Dystopian vibe to it.
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I need to see renders before I unfairly judge, it doesn't look bad just looks different.
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Old Posted Sep 11, 2022, 9:59 PM
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Façade materials are worth a wait. I think we have to give Extell a chance here, wait until we get the whole picture of what's happening. This could be a really cool project.

Considering its allegedly going to be a cool place for tourists.
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This will be a good place for overall views on the Penn Station Area and the PABT redevelopment.
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It's certainly better than the initial massing diagram suggested. I'll take that as a win.
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From the construction fencing:

Goodness, that outdoor gouge in the massing goes all the way around and is crooked. So messy. Need to see the materials but idk how that's going help to tie it all together.
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Everyone is going to have a different opinion here but can we just back up and agree that this is about as weird as they come? I mean look at that thing. How does something that convoluted even get imagined up?
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It is completely bizarre and I can't believe the massing models we saw previously were actually real.

The facade articulation is also very weird. A bunch of random geometry added or subtracted in plan then extruded up for an arbitrary height? That doesn't look nice. What are they going for?
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It’s weird. It’s different. New York needs it. I’d take this over another boring, glass box (witness the lower half) any day of the week. The bonus? What’s expected to be an outstanding observation deck, and yet another way to view this great skyline. Book me, I’m there.


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The facade articulation is also very weird. A bunch of random geometry added or subtracted in plan then extruded up for an arbitrary height? That doesn't look nice. What are they going for?

The facade articulation will be a part of the observatory experience…







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Way too tacky looking for NYC. And I bet they value-engineer the facade to make it even worse. I doubt that it will age well. Sort of would perhaps work for a sunbelt city with an indistinct skyline, like Dallas before they got the Reunion center ball, but not NYC.
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This is make-or-break IMH(onset)O under two conditions:

1. The facade material absolutely *must* be top-quality, especially how the’ve apparently dealt with the surface above the first (whatever they call a 360 degree setback).

2. If they’re gonna keep that extra cantilever on the far side of the render, it should be integrated with the rest of the structure in a way that doesn’t create an illusion of poor massing.

I *do* like the experimentation with angularity…as if such a thing doesn’t happen enough already.

But yeah, this tower needs a facade that rivals any of Melbourne’s best offerings for it to *seriously* knock it out of the park, almost regardless of the massing.
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Way too tacky looking for NYC. And I bet they value-engineer the facade to make it even worse. I doubt that it will age well. Sort of would perhaps work for a sunbelt city with an indistinct skyline, like Dallas before they got the Reunion center ball, but not NYC.

Well, on the New York skyline, this tower will be barely noticeable, and the skyline can afford it. As for the facade, I don't see why it would age any worse than any other building. And how can you imagine something you haven't even seen yet being value engineered?
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It reminds me of the short 1960's building in this picture. I have seen other similar ones but can't currently place where, as I'm not sure if any still serve their original purpose.

2006-04-21_007_3A_Los Angeles by Patrick Weber, on Flickr
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It reminds me of the short 1960's building in this picture. I have seen other similar ones but can't currently place where, as I'm not sure if any still serve their original purpose.

2006-04-21_007_3A_Los Angeles by Patrick Weber, on Flickr
Telephone Switching Centers. NYC has an AT&T one with an antenna tower like that too.


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This tower will rise at the opposite end of the block from the Marriot. And I think it will be the better looking building.



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The Marriot is ripe for a renovation.
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