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Originally Posted by plrh
I would also like to add that golf courses make terrible pedestrian environments along the edges. Are that many people trying to sneak in that they need 10' chain link all the way around? I went for a run a week ago and ended up going down Archibald from Marion to Fermor, and that west side is not a nice environment for pedestrians. The other side with the apartments and gravel shoulder is much more comfortable. I like golfing, but golf courses do not integrate into cities well. From a pedestrian perspective they are equivalent to rail yards.
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I have no desire to golf. You seem to KEEP missing the point. The courses we have are what remains of a vast forest that used to be along all the rivers. Which was mowed down for subdivisions. These places do not just hold golfers. They are greenspace period. Green space doesn't need to be a park. It can also be simply a forest. Most of these courses are full of 150-200 year old Oaks that you only find on river side Forests. Sorry I actually am a certified Arborist and know what these forests give to the environment and city.
Aside from that you still won't tell me your plan for the thousands of wasteland parking lots. You never seem to want to make the areas that need to become dense, actually dense. To be honest you see dollar signs. You sound like a developer.
And here we are in a city that loses 5000-10000 public elms per year. That doesn't include private land ones. We now have the Emerald ash borer which will make anything built after 1970 a wasteland as Ash was the go to tree. And Ash Borers don't just kill a tree here and there.they will kill entire neighborhoods in a season. And we are supposed to be planting trees to save this world and here's you JUST looking at the $$$$$$$.
So again.
Downtown Parking lots are where you want it to be dense. No one will get too excited to be stuck in an old golf course surrounded by old neighborhoods. When they can still go to brand new ones. Trust me I work in all the bedroom communities. And it isn't taxes that make them leave as once was. It's that they have a better surrounding area for their kids to grow up. They pay huge taxes as well. LaSalle where I work daily in . Which is booming right now. Most of the homes the same size of your city's new developments have the same tax bill. I myself live 150 feet from the Red by the Canoe club, I know first hand the city's selling off this course a little at a time to make some money. And all were FAILURES. And this course actually makes money. But the wildlife as you can freely hike along the River is amazing. Also note the golf courses do not own to waters edge. They own 20 to 30 meters back. The rest is public. Hence why I can almost hike the river from my house to St vital park. Fill that with homes and you lose the wildlife and that feature as it will be people's back yards.
But enough of that.
Downtown lots. What's your plan?
Canada Packers / Swift lands , what's your plan?
Rapid transit line with empty land all along it, and even phase one still is only about 5% devoped. This was supposed to be prime land for development. And nothing. Yet you think ripping up golf courses is a good idea,......
I however do like the one idea of KP and KPs little golf course having the front say 400-500 feet all residential 5-8 story buildings. Hopefully with cru's on the main floor. And then the rest of the course becoming part of the park. That idea would preserve the park and it will make it bigger as it's an over used park. And done correctly the money can and should be thrown into a trust for parks and we wouldn't have an issue maintaining them.
This city hall has had so many get rich quick schemes that have failed.
Either way.we want the downtown to be dense. Or along the RT lines.
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