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Old Posted Feb 17, 2009, 7:00 AM
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Hmmm, interesting topic. Below is a current map from the North American Supercorridor Coalition (NASCO) site which shows the 4 major North-South economic corridors (Pacific, Canamex, Mid-Cont and Eastern Seaboard) and the west > east corridors (Asia-Pacific Gateway) originating from the two BC ports and SeaTac, that NASCO is promoting the development of, and lobbying for.

Keep in mind the US also has other established east-west corridors, particulalry from Long Beach,CA.

Note the blue cities are the major sea/river ports. The red cities are the major Inland Ports and are members off the North American Inland Ports Network (NAIPN) - which NASCO founded in 2003.

Note that Winnipeg is the only major Canadian Inland Port being promoted at this time by NASCO/NAIPN.

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Centre Port Canada is going to be huge.
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o hey thunderbay is being tied into it

anyhow it pass's by regina and having accces to the coridoor is why they are building their inand port rather then having it pass through it and be able to have acces to the inferstructure going in
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Does anyone know if Regina will gain NASCO Port status?

That map shows the link to Thunder Bay from Iowa, but of course it is directly linked to Winnipeg as well.
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Personaly, I feel that this project is a disaster waiting to happen, a white elephant. This is because just about every major community along a rail line or major highway in Western Canada believes that an Inland Port is going to be their saviour. When in fact the ones that have been developed in Canada, like Prince George, have not come close to the development that was intially predicated. Regina has been sold an empty basket of goods and has fallen for it.

Reminds me of the Simpson's monorail episode.

Regina is already a compact city and its bursting at the seams

The CPR relocation and the Loblaws distribution center for western Canada are already the major anchors for the new GTH.

but the Simpson's comparison is food for thought when it comes too many new ideas.

The container traffic into and out of southern Saskatchewan would surprise people....Regina is ready to play spoiler when it comes to other cities inland ports.

I dont think Regina will become an "Ogdenville"..nor will Winnipegs become a ""Springfield".....in the end they may compliment each others...but i do love competition.
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they'll feed off each other witch will help both provinces and cities
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The problem with the new inland port in Prince George since its opening was that COSCO the main shipper out of Prince Rupert would not supply containers to the Prince George inland port due to the fact that they could make more money by sending back empty containers to china and get a faster turn around on the available containers. So eventhough there was a port here in prince george all containers had to be shipped south to Vancouver to get reasonable shipping rates.

Now that the economy has tanked the amount of goods that will be shipped out of prince george will increase due to the availability of containers.

Also part of the inland port proposal here in Prince George is the creation of an air cargo logistics and servicing park. Construction is to begin this year on the first phase of the park and a major arterial road to service it.

Prince George now has the third longest runway in Canada and is poised to compete with anchorage and vancouver for re-fuelling and cargo handling as the airport here has no operating restrictions, can accomodate fully loaded
A380's and will have no intital congestion and fast turn around times.

Allready there have been a few local businesses that have been able to expand simply because they have access to markets.
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As long as the projects are phased correctly so you don't spend too much money without payoff then why not! The only problem Regina has it is even more geographically isolated than Calgary or Winnipeg (its competitors on the CPR) so its distribution foot print might be a little smaller than others.

These things are big job generators, Wal-Mart's Calgary cross docks employ 1000 people directly, and that is without counting truck drivers and the intermodal workers. Same with Canadian Tire's facility of similar size (1,000,000 square feet). In all more than 60,000 people in Calgary are employed in non-petroleum distribution and logistics according to our Economic Authority.

Who wouldn't want a piece of the pie!
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As long as the projects are phased correctly so you don't spend too much money without payoff then why not! The only problem Regina has it is even more geographically isolated than Calgary or Winnipeg (its competitors on the CPR) so its distribution foot print might be a little smaller than others.

These things are big job generators, Wal-Mart's Calgary cross docks employ 1000 people directly, and that is without counting truck drivers and the intermodal workers. Same with Canadian Tire's facility of similar size (1,000,000 square feet). In all more than 60,000 people in Calgary are employed in non-petroleum distribution and logistics according to our Economic Authority.

Who wouldn't want a piece of the pie!
regarding the Winnipeg-Regina comparisons...

Lets consider politics..Ideological polarization is getting stronger then ever before.......Saskatchewan may never have an NDP government again...We have turned the corner here and I believe right of center governments are here to stay, like our neighbour Alberta.

Manitoba i assume is still strong NDP and will remain so...The Sask Party here are not exactly fans of organized Labor..and believe me that is an understatement! plus Mayor Pat is a strong Conservative .
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regarding the Winnipeg-Regina comparisons...

Lets consider politics..Ideological polarization is getting stronger then ever before.......Saskatchewan may never have an NDP government again...We have turned the corner here and I believe right of center governments are here to stay, like our neighbour Alberta.

Manitoba i assume is still strong NDP and will remain so...The Sask Party here are not exactly fans of organized Labor..and believe me that is an understatement! plus Mayor Pat is a strong Conservative .
I strongly disagree. One year of a Sask Party government hardly constitutes Saskatchewan becoming Conservative after how many years of NDP dominance?

Secondly, it's time to vote out the Conservatives, at least at the federal level. Thirteen Conservative MPs have done and continue to do less than Goodale. Well that's not true, they continue to break promises....
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Regina is already a compact city and its bursting at the seams

The CPR relocation and the Loblaws distribution center for western Canada are already the major anchors for the new GTH.
I am not sure if you realize this .. but both Calgary and Winnipeg already both have large Loblaws disribution centres, among many others. Saskatoon also has a Loblaws distribution centre ..... It won't make or break any city. Winnipeg is already a major hub of many retail outlets, but I don't feel this has or will influece any Winnipeg's or any other city's roll as a inland port. Storage of food is not relivant in terms of an inland port.
http://www.loblaw.ca/en/empl_lcl_distribution.html

Winnipeg is the largest inland distribution centre in Western Canada period.. and it is not so much focusing on more local retail distribution, which is already a major part of the local transportation fabric of the city. It is more about an efficient inland port with manufacturing added value connected to the major transportation corridor. Well over a billion dollars of infrastructure is in process of being implimented or will be developed over the next couple years to enhance Winnipeg's status as a major inland port.

I don't see Regina and Winnipeg really competing at all.
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^ Can you think of one product that needs value added manufacturing that it wouldn't make sense to add that at the point of origin instead, or at the final destination?

These centres are a mix of transhipment and industrial park land. The industrial parks won't be taking things off the rails, changing something, and then putting them back on the rails. If that was the case, why does it make sense to do that in Winnipeg rather than in China? The industrial park land will be for more local industries, to provide local markets. I would bet 95% on the industrial space users will not use the port like you described.

I am not saying transhipment and industrial parks are bad. Far from it. I am just saying that if it made sense to do where are the announcements? (from people other than government, or existing companies just relocating operations to the 'Port')
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Thirteen Conservative MPs have done and continue to do less than Goodale. Well that's not true, they continue to break promises....
The difference being that Goodale is a good politician...
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I am not sure if you realize this .. but both Calgary and Winnipeg already both have large Loblaws disribution centres, among many others. Saskatoon also has a Loblaws distribution centre ..... It won't make or break any city. Winnipeg is already a major hub of many retail outlets, but I don't feel this has or will influece any Winnipeg's or any other city's roll as a inland port. Storage of food is not relivant in terms of an inland port.
http://www.loblaw.ca/en/empl_lcl_distribution.html

Winnipeg is the largest inland distribution centre in Western Canada period.. and it is not so much focusing on more local retail distribution, which is already a major part of the local transportation fabric of the city. It is more about an efficient inland port with manufacturing added value connected to the major transportation corridor. Well over a billion dollars of infrastructure is in process of being implimented or will be developed over the next couple years to enhance Winnipeg's status as a major inland port.

I don't see Regina and Winnipeg really competing at all.

Regina = Loblaws consolidation.

phase 1 of the Regina Loblaws Distribution Center will service Manitoba and Saskatchewan.


Phase 2 of the Loblaws Distribution Center will service all of western Canada

Saskatoons is closing...I question the future of the Alberta, Manitoba, B.C facilities......maybe they will be downsized or dare i say phased out entirely??


Jane Marshall, executive vice-president of real estate for Loblaw Companies, said Loblaw chose to build the distribution centre in Regina for several reasons.

"Loblaw Companies is Canada's largest food distributor. We have 50 million square feet of retail space across the county; 15 million of that retail space is located in Western Canada,'' she said.

Loblaw is currently "revitalizing" its retail store line-up, including sprucing up its Real Canadian Superstore locations and converting many of its Extra Foods locations into discount No Frills stores, Marshall said.

"This facility will serve those stores, primarily in Saskatchewan and Manitoba in the first phase. But, as we construct the balance of the facility (to) just under one million square feet, it will serve all of our stores in Western Canada.''

Being CP's largest customer, Loblaw also wanted to be close to the intermodal facility, which would help Loblaw "optimize our service levels to our stores" and "minimize our environmental impact," she said.

Peter McMahon, executive vice-president of supply chain and information technology for Loblaw, agreed Regina was the "ideal location" for the distribution centre, especially after the announcement of CP's intermodal facility

"It really helps us with our strategy in transport of taking more and more product off the road, (dealing) with the escalating price of fuel ... and dealing with the environment impact.''

Initially, the facility will hire 500 employees in its first year of operation. But McMahon said the distribution centre will "very quickly'' expand to one million square feet and distribute about three million cases of product per week.

"It's a big deal. It's a lot of trucks. It's a lot of volume going out of the distribution centre.''

With an estimated 1,400 trucks per week using the facility, road and highways in the area will have to be upgraded to accommodate the additional traffic.

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be nice having a true "Ring Road" around the city
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the next 10 years will be an exciting period for Regina...

did i hear correctly that Federated a Co-op Distribution Center is relocating from Saskatoon???..maybe I am wrong , but In January 2008 FCL announced it will be spending $1.9 billion over the next 4 years to expand its refinery to be able to process 130,000 barrels of oil a day..................................................and now there is serious talk of a new domed stadium...

very cool
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Rdid i hear correctly that Federated a Co-op Distribution Center is relocating from Saskatoon???..maybe I am wrong , but In January 2008 FCL announced it will be spending $1.9 billion over the next 4 years to expand its refinery to be able to process 130,000 barrels of oil a day.
I think you might be confused. The Federated Co-op Distribution Center is for their Food and Hardware stores. The refinery doesn't have much to do with those side of things. You are right about the huge expansion there though.
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As far as I have read or heard the CP container facility in downtown Regina is being moved West of the city, but the actual railline is staying put, yet 2 people from Regina have told me that they are planning on re-routing the railline around the city and out of downtown as well. Is there talk of that happening? I recall when I lived in Regina many years ago the talk of rail relocation but never amounted to anything. Is that what they are referring to? I can't see the lines going anywhere in the near future. It would cost a bundle.

Just the yards are relocating, not the CP mainline. the 1970's proposal would have seen both the CP and CN lines rerouted around the City. That
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Just the yards are relocating, not the CP mainline. the 1970's proposal would have seen both the CP and CN lines rerouted around the City. That
That's what I thought. Thanks for the response. There will be alot of land available for re-development when the yards are moved out but with the tracks still there how do you connect downtown to the new development in that area plus the warehouse district? Do you build bridges over the tracks? Is there an example of any Canadian city that has successfully integrated their downtown over the CP or CN mainline?
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That's what I thought. Thanks for the response. There will be alot of land available for re-development when the yards are moved out but with the tracks still there how do you connect downtown to the new development in that area plus the warehouse district? Do you build bridges over the tracks? Is there an example of any Canadian city that has successfully integrated their downtown over the CP or CN mainline?
I've heard many rumours over the years that there is a huge tunnel behind the casino that could be redeveloped and used as a connector. I have no idea whether its true or not, and if not I would assume a few pedestrian overpasses would be built, would likely make for some amazing views of the downtown towers as well as the new stadium that is being rumoured for the land.
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