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Espanola Way in South Beach or maybe Lincoln Rd:
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But yeah, other than things like that (and faux-gothic university campuses), nothing looks very European in Chicago. Maybe some of the rowhomes in South Loop / University Village might age into a more European-looking state with enough time.
Midwestern/Western cities have too much space; any US city established after the Colonial period is bound to be more spread out, except for the random pieces of kitsch and theme architecture.

Obviously the architecture isn't remotely the same, and the streets are wider, but I do think West Loop is developing into a Euro-style midrise neighborhood.
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Old Posted Jul 9, 2020, 3:03 PM
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Espanola Way in South Beach or maybe Lincoln Rd:
https://www.google.com/maps/@25.7869...7i12000!8i6000
Yeah, I was gonna mention parts of South Beach, but those areas have a modern European flair with the Art Deco and other international styles.

Other places in Florida includes St. Augustine and Key West. Other places in the South off the top of my head are New Orleans’ French Quarter, Savannah’s core, and Charleston.
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Based on my travels in the US, I would say NoLa, Charleston, and Boston feel the most European to me.

I haven't been to Montreal or Quebec, but I think it's pretty clear they're the winners between US/CAN.
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Midwestern/Western cities have too much space; any US city established after the Colonial period is bound to be more spread out, except for the random pieces of kitsch and theme architecture.
There are a few places in the Midwest and west that were settled in the Colonial era. It's just hard to find areas that didn't completely destroy their pre-20th century neighborhoods...

The remaining block of Detroit's Greektown looks a little European-ish: https://goo.gl/maps/igSr3s2MmXY1Mfkv8

This area in Marquette could be Ireland if you squint at an angle: https://goo.gl/maps/Ctyobz5pQQiL9qe19
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If as per the OP we are talking about "the Americas", many Latin American cities can make a pretty respectable showing.

https://www.google.com/maps/@-34.601...7i16384!8i8192

Especially in countries that had or have a decent standard of living and gave themselves fairly impressive capital cities.

I think that most anywhere in the new world, architectural styles initially mimicked the architectural styles of the European colonizers, though some places more quickly and more dramatically moved away from the Euro style, for a variety of reasons.

Architecture and urban form in most of Canada and the U.S. have become quite far removed from the European model, obviously. Mexico I also find to have its own style - even the older, charming parts of Mexico clearly feel more Mexican than they do Spanish or European.

OTOH places like Buenos Aires (shown above) favoured "Europeanity" for much longer and over a much larger imprint within the city.
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There are a few places in the Midwest and west that were settled in the Colonial era. It's just hard to find areas that didn't completely destroy their pre-20th century neighborhoods...

The remaining block of Detroit's Greektown looks a little European-ish: https://goo.gl/maps/igSr3s2MmXY1Mfkv8

This area in Marquette could be Ireland if you squint at an angle: https://goo.gl/maps/Ctyobz5pQQiL9qe19
I think the Great Lakes cities seemed to develop in a way that doesn't look very European. Big wide streets, mostly detached housing, etc. Older cities in the Midwest like Cincinnati, Pittsburgh (not exactly midwestern but close enough), and St. Louis might have more vaguely Euro-looking neighborhoods and street scenes. I agree that so much has been lost to demolition, unfortunately.

German Village (Columbus):

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9508...7i13312!8i6656


West End (Cincinnati). The oldest house on this block was built 1804:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1076...7i16384!8i8192


East Walnut Hills (Cincinnati)

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1290...7i13312!8i6656
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Based on my travels in the US, I would say NoLa, Charleston, and Boston feel the most European to me.

I haven't been to Montreal or Quebec, but I think it's pretty clear they're the winners between US/CAN.
Boston I can definitely see. Parts of it really do remind me of cities in Ireland or England. I don't get European vibes from Charleston or New Orleans. Maybe Savannah a little more just due to the layout of the squares, but those Southern cities seem distinctly American to me.

Quebec City is a little slice of France just dropped into North America. It is hands down the most European environment in North America. Montreal feels less so to me, because it's a bigger city. Looks and feels more like a French speaking Brooklyn than Paris imo.
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I think the Great Lakes cities seemed to develop in a way that doesn't look very European. Big wide streets, mostly detached housing, etc. Older cities in the Midwest like Cincinnati, Pittsburgh (not exactly midwestern but close enough), and St. Louis might have more vaguely Euro-looking neighborhoods and street scenes. I agree that so much has been lost to demolition, unfortunately.

German Village (Columbus):

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9508...7i13312!8i6656


West End (Cincinnati). The oldest house on this block was built 1804:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1076...7i16384!8i8192


East Walnut Hills (Cincinnati)

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1290...7i13312!8i6656
It depends on the era. The really old places like Detroit were retrofitted with wide avenues and streets by demolishing a bunch of buildings. That's why you have scenes like this, where the architectural style and era on one side of the street doesn't match the other side: https://goo.gl/maps/KREF4qqLcnweRbLZA

The same thing here, which is directly across from the Renaissance Center: https://goo.gl/maps/nDN4S9mXf2BSZ2KL8
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If 'European' means historic buildings from 100+ years ago then for Toronto it's the entire low rise residential built form of the Old City of Toronto (population 800,000). That said, all old areas of Canadian cities are 'Euro'. They were built by European settlers after all. The difference is which European country influenced the architecture. In Toronto, Hamilton, Winnipeg, Halifax, etc. it would be England and Scotland. In Montreal and Quebec City it would be France.

It wasn't till around 1880 that we here in America started developing a built form that diverged from European norms. It gained steam with the construction of skyscrapers 1900-1935 and continued on after WW2 with the advent of suburbia. So it's really only skyscrapers and post war areas that aren't European even though we don't look at it that way.


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It depends on the era. The really old places like Detroit were retrofitted with wide avenues and streets by demolishing a bunch of buildings. That's why you have scenes like this, where the architectural style and era on one side of the street doesn't match the other side: https://goo.gl/maps/KREF4qqLcnweRbLZA

The same thing here, which is directly across from the Renaissance Center: https://goo.gl/maps/nDN4S9mXf2BSZ2KL8
That happened everywhere in this country. Maybe it happened to a greater extent in places like Detroit, but literally every city tore down buildings to expand their road networks. If the overall development pattern is tight and dense (I guess proxies we're using for "European" in this discussion, along with old), the streets that were widened would stand out in contrast to the rest of the neighborhood.

See Liberty Street in Over the Rhine, for example.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1129...7i16384!8i8192

It's a big, wide, unsightly street that was carved into the middle of the neighborhood. It stands in marked contrast to the tight streets of the remainder of the neighborhood:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1104...7i16384!8i8192
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Those streets looks pretty crappy for being in such a beautiful neighborhood.
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Quebec City is a little slice of France just dropped into North America. It is hands down the most European environment in North America. Montreal feels less so to me, because it's a bigger city. Looks and feels more like a French speaking Brooklyn than Paris imo.
I don't get the because it's a bigger city.
In your view, an European city can't be a big city?

Paris (12 million inhabitants) is bigger than twice of Montreal and Quebec City combined.
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Nice! I've been trying to think of more urban LA environments that could fit the purpose of this thread, but haven't come up with any. The mediterranean climate and revival style architecture definitely make some of the hillside neighborhoods have a Spain/Southern France vibe. But the examples are usually one off-- the neighborhoods here (especially in the hills) have such an eclectic collection of architectural styles. Where there is uniformity, it can look cartoonish and gross (looking at you, Orange County gated communities).
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I don't get the because it's a bigger city.
In your view, an European city can't be a big city?

Paris (12 million inhabitants) is bigger than twice of Montreal and Quebec City combined.
That's not what I meant. Quebec City's old town area has largely been untouched from when it was developed centuries ago- or at least it looks like that. It has few of the hallmarks of a North American city in that part of town.

Montreal, by contrast, has large skyscrapers immediately next to its old town area. It has wide streets and a more modern feel.

In France, I've been to small towns and Rouen and Paris. Montreal feels nothing like any of them. Quebec City, by contrast, honestly feels like it's on the other side of the Atlantic to me.
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