Trans Canada Highway Twinning: Segments U/C - Page 138

Carboy15 · #**2741** Posted **Dec 21, 2023, 9:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by Mazrim

I agree with the strategy of doing the most difficult or dangerous stretches of the Trans-Canada before the easy stretches. If you think these projects are expensive now, just wait till 30 years from now!

I agree with that too. I wonder if BC should do this, they should make parts of the highway into a 2+1 highway like in Northern Ontario

feepa · #**2742** Posted **Dec 21, 2023, 9:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Carboy15

I agree with that too. I wonder if BC should do this, they should make parts of the highway into a 2+1 highway like in Northern Ontario

that's already done where possible.

Dengler Avenue · #**2743** Posted **Dec 21, 2023, 9:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Carboy15

I agree with that too. I wonder if BC should do this, they should make parts of the highway into a 2+1 highway like in Northern Ontario

It depends where. If the terrain’s very difficult already, one may as well build out all 4 lanes.

Carboy15 · #**2744** Posted **Dec 21, 2023, 9:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

It depends where. If the terrain’s very difficult already, one may as well build out all 4 lanes.

Makes sense

In Northern Ontario it definetely would work, but just that they have so much to do yet.

That would make sense around Greater Sudbury or as Interim phases of town bypasses

Carboy15 · #**2745** Posted **Dec 25, 2023, 3:26 AM**

I think instead of twinning the current alignment of Hwy 17 in Ontario west of Thunder Bay to Sistonens Corner, I think it would be better to realign Hwy 17 to go alongside Hwy 102 near Thunder Bay. It would be more direct

Innsertnamehere · #**2746** Posted **Dec 25, 2023, 4:42 AM**

BC is a different beast than northern Ontario as the traffic volumes are much higher. Most of the trans Canada in BC has 3-4x the traffic volume of 11 or 17 across northern Ontario.

Carboy15 · #**2747** Posted **Dec 25, 2023, 5:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

BC is a different beast than northern Ontario as the traffic volumes are much higher. Most of the trans Canada in BC has 3-4x the traffic volume of 11 or 17 across northern Ontario.

BC will get twinned eventually, but it just is expensive and they have lots more to do

Dengler Avenue · #**2748** Posted **Dec 25, 2023, 10:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by Carboy15

I think instead of twinning the current alignment of Hwy 17 in Ontario west of Thunder Bay to Sistonens Corner, I think it would be better to realign Hwy 17 to go alongside Hwy 102 near Thunder Bay. It would be more direct

MTO definitely thought about it as the alignment via 102 would have shaved 16 KM off. Unfortunately, the people there said no. So now we ended up with a protected freeway corridor that would swing by Murillo, Kakabeka Falls, and Mokomon.
You’ll have to check the zoning maps from the township of Oliver-Paipoonge to see the details. MTO’s permit control zone map also shows it but to a much coarser detail.

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Originally Posted by Carboy15

BC will get twinned eventually, but it just is expensive and they have lots more to do

Expensive? Yes.
The benefit-to-cost ratio is probably high enough to justify that though.
In Ontario, it’ll be equally expensive, but that ratio is so low that the map in my signature is pretty much just a dream. It’s as if I’ve pretty much drawn it up to show people that it may be doable.

flipper316 · #**2749** Posted **Dec 26, 2023, 9:28 PM**

https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/464...evening#464345

Word on the street a double fatality. Chalk another up for this death highway. It's just sad at this point.

Dengler Avenue · #**2750** Posted **Dec 26, 2023, 10:43 PM**

It’s sad indeed. Still, what are the particularly bad spots on that stretch?

urbandreamer · #**2751** Posted **Dec 27, 2023, 12:18 AM**

Easy solution: variable speed limits depending on traffic volume, weather conditions and time of day.

craner · #**2752** Posted **Dec 27, 2023, 10:47 PM**

Trans Canada Highway reopened after fatal collision near Rogers Pass

http://https://globalnews.ca/news/10190875/trans-canada-highway-closed-in-both-directions-near-glacier-national-park/

Anyone know more details about this crash (i.e. was it a head-on collision ?).

flipper316 · #**2753** Posted **Dec 28, 2023, 4:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by craner

Trans Canada Highway reopened after fatal collision near Rogers Pass

http://https://globalnews.ca/news/10190875/trans-canada-highway-closed-in-both-directions-near-glacier-national-park/

Anyone know more details about this crash (i.e. was it a head-on collision ?).

https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/464...rs-Pass#464473

Mininari · #**2754** Posted **Feb 14, 2024, 6:08 PM**

Trans Canada Highway Twinning in BC is "Finished" in the eye of the feds now. Highway twinning can't be anything but a "large road project."
Be safe on the half-upgraded goat track, people.

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Feds will stop investing in 'large' road projects, environment minister says
Steven Guilbeault revised his comments after saying Ottawa would stop investing in new road infrastructure
John Paul Tasker · CBC News · Posted: Feb 14, 2024 12:10 PM AST | Last Updated: 7 minutes ago
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gui...oads-1.7114867

In a country as large as Canada, with weather as fickle as Canada's, Guilbeault's comments seem pretty tone deaf. This guy is both out of touch and out to lunch........

Yet another nail in the coffin of this Liberal administration.

Dengler Avenue · #**2755** Posted **Feb 14, 2024, 6:22 PM**

Wow that comment from Steven Guilbeault is sure generating lots of backlash.
Realistically speaking though, is the federal coffer even in a good shape for anything these days…

craner · #**2756** Posted **Feb 16, 2024, 6:33 AM**

Unbelievable comment - hope it’s not actual policy.

flipper316 · #**2757** Posted **Mar 10, 2024, 6:13 PM**

https://www.timescolonist.com/local-...ations-8423211

Jesus christ. Where the fuck is the money going. It'll still be 1 lane each way.

craner · #**2758** Posted **Mar 10, 2024, 7:43 PM**

^What a joke - I just don’t get it.

Dengler Avenue · #**2759** Posted **Mar 10, 2024, 8:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by flipper316

https://www.timescolonist.com/local-...ations-8423211

Jesus christ. Where the fuck is the money going. It'll still be 1 lane each way.

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Originally Posted by craner

^What a joke - I just don’t get it.

It’s called waiting for a government that’s willing to blast rocks through the provincial park to make it 4 lanes. If not, we will have to bring back the trains at 15 ~ 20 minute frequency.

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Meanwhile, N.L. contemplates using P3 to deal with its TCH twinning: https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7114715

thewave46 · #**2760** Posted **Mar 10, 2024, 8:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by flipper316

https://www.timescolonist.com/local-...ations-8423211

Jesus christ. Where the fuck is the money going. It'll still be 1 lane each way.

Indeed.

It cost the Province of Ontario $174m in 2016 to build 14km of fully-divided Highway 69 freeway through Canadian Shield.

$162m for 2.6km of two-lane road? Yikes.