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Old Posted Feb 10, 2022, 4:42 AM
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Would love to see some retail in this one, although Centra still hasn’t filled up their spot yet, I’m surprised nothing has gone in there yet.
Yeah there is for sure enough local pop now and soon to be to support a cofee shop, small restaurant/bar
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2022, 3:56 PM
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Edit: Also, an alley abandonment was submitted for the tower proposal at 601 N. Central Ave last week.
Hopefully we get a rendering soon of the proposed tower. If anyone can make it, hopefully they can post some screen grabs and share the Central Station update. This month's DVC agenda:

DEVELOPMENT & INFRASTRUCTURE
  1. LG Development’s potential multifamily project at 601 N. Central Ave. (40 minutes)
  2. Central Station at Central & Van Buren Update (10 minutes)
  3. 7th Ave & McKinley Drive-thru (10 minutes) (Everyone's favorite topic LOL)
HISTORIC PRESERVATION & NEIGHBORHOODS
  1. Demo permits on 14 E. Pierce (Public Market Cafe), 710 N. 1st St. (Southwestern Litho), and 702 N. 1st St. (25 minutes)
  2. 1023 N. 10th St. (Iglesia Apostolica) Garfield Neighborhood (10 minutes)
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2022, 4:39 PM
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[*]7th Ave & McKinley Drive-thru (10 minutes) (Everyone's favorite topic LOL)
That lot is way to big for just a Chick-Fil-A. I wonder if they plan on building something else along with it?
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2022, 4:52 PM
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That lot is way to big for just a Chick-Fil-A. I wonder if they plan on building something else along with it?
Knowing chick fil et I don’t think they’ll have a dense footprint it will be a super lon drive through line and it will be full. All. The. Time.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2022, 5:06 PM
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There were a couple plans for programming that lot, the one I think is most likely is two drive throughs on either N/S side. About the worst development option imaginable, but the ship sailed from 7th Ave decades ago.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2022, 5:30 PM
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That lot is way to big for just a Chick-Fil-A. I wonder if they plan on building something else along with it?
No one paid attention (and some even argued) when I answered this question before so I'm not really expecting much different this time.

It's going to be a Chick-Fil-A. You're welcome to reference project # 20-4407

I used the Assessor's website to determine the footprint of all those lots is about 64K square feet.

Chick-Fil-A has a location at 31st Avenue and Peoria and that lot is 52K square feet. Not all that different.

The response to the first time I said this is going to be a Chick Fil A:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=19558
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2022, 5:37 PM
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I know everyone is hating on it but I will sit in that drive through as much as I hate myself for it
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2022, 5:53 PM
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I know everyone is hating on it but I will sit in that drive through as much as I hate myself for it
Anyone who's "hating on it" should drum up some money and develop what they think is better. This site is extremely useful in so many ways but the amount of complaining here is unreal.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2022, 6:02 PM
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No one paid attention (and some even argued) when I answered this question before so I'm not really expecting much different this time.

It's going to be a Chick-Fil-A. You're welcome to reference project # 20-4407

I used the Assessor's website to determine the footprint of all those lots is about 64K square feet.

Chick-Fil-A has a location at 31st Avenue and Peoria and that lot is 52K square feet. Not all that different.
Please read my question again. I didn't question if they were building a Chick-Fil-A. I asked what they else could be building along with it as the lot is 2 x's the space they need for one.

The lot you mentioned in the assessor site is not fully taken up by Chick-Fil-A. It takes up about 2/3 of it with a still undeveloped pad on the southern portion. Since the lot on 7th is larger than this by 12k, there's definitely room for another pad.

Instead of being drawn into an argument on this, I'll just pull a records request on the project. I don't really care for projects of this size, but I was just curious as to what else could be added to the lot. Nothing more.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2022, 7:19 PM
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The brochure from the owner documenting the potential programming for it is here:

https://phoenixcommercialadvisors.co...d=371367-lease
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2022, 8:41 PM
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Please read my question again. I didn't question if they were building a Chick-Fil-A. I asked what they else could be building along with it as the lot is 2 x's the space they need for one.

The lot you mentioned in the assessor site is not fully taken up by Chick-Fil-A. It takes up about 2/3 of it with a still undeveloped pad on the southern portion. Since the lot on 7th is larger than this by 12k, there's definitely room for another pad.

Instead of being drawn into an argument on this, I'll just pull a records request on the project. I don't really care for projects of this size, but I was just curious as to what else could be added to the lot. Nothing more.
Its going to be a big drive through lol you know it, I know it, we all know it.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2022, 10:10 PM
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Definitely looking forward to seeing what becomes of 601 N. Central Avenue.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2022, 10:28 PM
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Definitely looking forward to seeing what becomes of 601 N. Central Avenue.
I read somewhere that it's a proposed 450' tower
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2022, 10:32 PM
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425' residential tower
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2022, 11:08 PM
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425' residential tower
God, i can't wait to see a possible rendering.
I only hope its not the same damn BOX RECTANGULAR buildings we've had going up.

I mean no offense, I love the highrises going up, but is it so hard for Phoenix to ask for some unique and iconic architecture?

A building you can look at in a magazine halfway across the country and say, "Oh, that's from downtown Phoenix!."
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I'd rather get a realistic building with realistic rents that actually will go up instead of a silly pie in the sky. 425' is still ambitious for this site, especially given they have the whole 2.2 acres to go up that high.
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Old Posted Feb 11, 2022, 12:33 AM
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I read somewhere that it's a proposed 450' tower

The height you guys read were an estimate I came up with due to the proposed floor count from the records request I received. I based it off 39 floors (I think that is right without looking it up) with average floorplate spacing, lobby height, parapet, etc.. But it's not exact and could be a good deal shorter depending on the floorplate size.
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Old Posted Feb 11, 2022, 2:23 AM
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I'd rather get a realistic building with realistic rents that actually will go up instead of a silly pie in the sky. 425' is still ambitious for this site, especially given they have the whole 2.2 acres to go up that high.
No, no, no, I agree. Give me a kickass tower with below market affordable rents for the average folk and I'd be happy.

Just don't make it a simple box in the sky. That's all 🤣
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Old Posted Feb 11, 2022, 11:33 PM
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God, i can't wait to see a possible rendering.
I only hope its not the same damn BOX RECTANGULAR buildings we've had going up.

I mean no offense, I love the highrises going up, but is it so hard for Phoenix to ask for some unique and iconic architecture?

A building you can look at in a magazine halfway across the country and say, "Oh, that's from downtown Phoenix!."
"Iconic Architecture" is always a tough thing to ask for. Buildings become iconic over time for any number of reasons.

That said, it would be nice to see something better connected to place, and an attempt at a crown or a roofline that generates some interest, especially with it being a counterpart to the Westward Ho, which is a genuinely iconic building. Curious how they will approach that relationship.
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"Iconic Architecture" is always a tough thing to ask for. Buildings become iconic over time for any number of reasons.

That said, it would be nice to see something better connected to place, and an attempt at a crown or a roofline that generates some interest, especially with it being a counterpart to the Westward Ho, which is a genuinely iconic building. Curious how they will approach that relationship.
Can we just get something without a flat-top??? Is that too much to ask? I mean, seriously...anything that doesn't resemble a refrigerator is a winner in my book
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