Winnipeg Construction X

[kaimonmok]

Originally Posted by optimusREIM

Let's face it, unless they literally sever that artery, people will continue using it heavily. We have to have somewhat of a practical mind about this.

The other option is to provide high-quality, and reliable driving alternatives. And before you go and say that everybody is already stuck in a car-centric mindset and that there is no hope for change, might I remind you that most major cities in Europe were in the exact same situation in the 70's: car-dependency, disinvested transit, congested roads, terrible pedestrian/cycling infrastructure. Most transit-oriented transformations within Europe, even in cold Scandinavian countries, took place only within the last 30 years.

Most people in Winnipeg aren't car enthusiasts, they just choose whatever mode of transportation is most convenient for them. If we build freeways, people will drive. If we build BRT's, people will bus. Only one of these options has a proven, sustainable outlook.

[esquire]

^ But nobody is building a freeway... we area talking about adding two lanes to a busy road that has been 4 lanes since the city's population was half of what it is now.

Kenaston carries nearly as much traffic with 4 lanes as Portage does with 8. It's reaching the breaking point, adding a little more capacity is a reasonable step in lieu of actually turning it into a buried freeway or some other stratospherically expensive approach to the problem.

[pacman]

Originally Posted by esquire

^ But nobody is building a freeway... we area talking about adding two lanes to a busy road that has been 4 lanes since the city's population was half of what it is now.

Kenaston carries nearly as much traffic with 4 lanes as Portage does with 8. It's reaching the breaking point, adding a little more capacity is a reasonable step in lieu of actually turning it into a buried freeway or some other stratospherically expensive approach to the problem.

Get outta here with your reasonable position based on actual context. Extra lanes = bad, no matter what. There is no situation where these extra lanes are not a waste, did I do that right?

[kaimonmok]

Originally Posted by pacman

Get outta here with your reasonable position based on actual context. Extra lanes = bad, no matter what. There is no situation where these extra lanes are not a waste, did I do that right?

Lol there are some parts of the world that would turn a six-lane thoroughfare into a two-lane residential street with transit. But nobody is even going that far with Kenaston...

[borkborkbork]

Originally Posted by pacman

Get outta here with your reasonable position based on actual context. Extra lanes = bad, no matter what. There is no situation where these extra lanes are not a waste, did I do that right?

$38.7 million a year. Equivalent to nearly a 7% property tax hike. Just for 90. Same again for CPT extension.

They say strategic decisions are the ones that are one-way doors. Once you've made them, they're made, and they cascade to affect every other decision.

They're not just choosing some "extra lanes" here. They're deciding the 2033 budgets for snow clearing and policing and libraries and everything else. They're deciding the 2043 property tax rate. These are one way doors.

I think the city needs to be a lot more careful than "there's a lot more traffic here than there used to be, time to expand the number of lanes."

[building_lover]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...2023-1.6858191

Here's a good reason not to go deeper into the hole...

We should make the suburbanites choose: roads or cops

[CoryB]

Paramedics should be moved to the province under Shared Health as they are a field based health service. Shifting that to its correct place would take some of the pressure of the Winnipeg budget.

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by CoryB

Paramedics should be moved to the province under Shared Health as they are a field based health service. Shifting that to its correct place would take some of the pressure of the Winnipeg budget.

True

[davequanbury]

Originally Posted by esquire

I am fine with undoing Kenaston as a major N/S thoroughfare and turning it into a quiet River Heights residential street. But that requires a viable alternative for all that traffic. And what do those look like?

Depends on your destination, if you wanna get DT, then my favourite route from IKEA is to take Sterling Lion to Waverley underpass and then buzz up Taylor and take Pembina North.

[BAKGUY]

Originally Posted by CoryB

Paramedics should be moved to the province under Shared Health as they are a field based health service. Shifting that to its correct place would take some of the pressure of the Winnipeg budget.

Pardon me ? lol
You make total sense //// so then you know it can likely never occur.
It is too simple for our bureaucrats to figure out.

[audie]

Anyone know the scoop with the Manitoba Conservation building at 200 Salteaux? It's being demo'd but I'm not finding much about it online

[Biff]

Winpak next door has a 60,000 sq ft addition that is preparing to start. Purely a guess, but maybe they acquired that property for the addition?

[esquire]

^ Interesting... so where did Conservation (or whatever they're called now) end up?

[wags_in_the_peg]

Originally Posted by esquire

^ Interesting... so where did Conservation (or whatever they're called now) end up?

I believe 1181 Portage, across street from 7-11

[esquire]

Interesting how Conservation seems to be resistant to ending up downtown like most other government departments. But at least it's a step in the right direction, haha.

[Carboy15]

The Perimeter Hwy is a provincial hwy that can travel up to 100KM/H. If they can get that to full freeway status, that would help quite a bit. And making a Freeway around Headingley and St Norbert would make sense as they lead to the 2 most important roads in Manitoba.

[Carboy15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:V...ge_Diagram.gif

A 3 level diamond interchange should be put at Hwy 15 and the Perimeter Hwy (Volleyball Interchange). Underpass (First Level); Perimeter Hwy going underneath hwy 15 and CN Reddit Subdivision. Second Level; CN Reddit Subdivision going over Perimeter Hwy Northbound, and Hwy 15 going over Perimeter Hwy Northbound. Third Level; Junction where Hwy 15 and Perimeter can intersect. Exit lanes going from Southbound or Northbound to and from Perimeter can go over Railway tracks and create less stops

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by Carboy15

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:V...ge_Diagram.gif

A 3 level diamond interchange should be put at Hwy 15 and the Perimeter Hwy (Volleyball Interchange). Underpass (First Level); Perimeter Hwy going underneath hwy 15 and CN Reddit Subdivision. Second Level; CN Reddit Subdivision going over Perimeter Hwy Northbound, and Hwy 15 going over Perimeter Hwy Northbound. Third Level; Junction where Hwy 15 and Perimeter can intersect. Exit lanes going from Southbound or Northbound to and from Perimeter can go over Railway tracks and create less stops

Wrong thread. There's the Perimeter Highway or Manitoba Highways threads where this can be discussed.

[thurmas]

Originally Posted by building_lover

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...2023-1.6858191

Here's a good reason not to go deeper into the hole...

We should make the suburbanites choose: roads or cops

The cops and fire costs are due primarily to all the chaos in the core and North end the suburbs pay to keep those areas policed and with fire protection. If unicity was broken up Winnipeg proper would go bankrupt

[esquire]

Originally Posted by thurmas

The cops and fire costs are due primarily to all the chaos in the core and North end the suburbs pay to keep those areas policed and with fire protection. If unicity was broken up Winnipeg proper would go bankrupt

I'm not so sure about that. The suburbs bring with them massive infrastructure construction and maintenance costs. What are the major big ticket infrastructure needs of the old part of Winnipeg? Combined sewer replacement and bridge replacements? Also, the CBD still brings in a pile of tax revenue.