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Old Posted May 18, 2023, 7:41 PM
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As it happens, today was the day. We just got this:

"Wednesday, May 17, 2023

Dear Hotel Partners:

We are reaching out today to share important information regarding the latest plans for the Austin Convention Center with our hospitality partners. The Austin Convention Center is moving forward with plans to expand and redevelop our current site. To that end, we will prepare for closure, demolition and construction beginning in April 2025.
We understand the significant impact our plans create for you and your organization, and we deeply empathize with the challenge this generates.


... Looking forward, we are excited about the product and enhanced level of service our new Austin Convention Center, slated to reopen in early 2029, will provide your operations in the future. With a substantial increase in space as well as state-of the art, modernized, industry leading facilities we’ll be eager to welcome more customers to Austin!"
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Old Posted May 18, 2023, 8:48 PM
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Exciting!

As you're someone in the hotel industry, how does this impact things over the next few years?
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Old Posted May 18, 2023, 9:55 PM
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Exciting!

As you're someone in the hotel industry, how does this impact things over the next few years?
LOL, well . . . lots of panic, TBH. So much of the downtown hotel scene is built around that convention center, and to have it go away completely for four years . . . a lot of us are looking at our books and wondering what the hell we'll do during that time.

I mean, it's a small convention center, but the amount of occupancy it brings is significant, and that occupancy helps drive our rates. It also means that a lot of the bigger hotels will now be competing with the smaller hotels for business they wouldn't normally touch . . . because they'd normally have citywide business. But now we're all going to fight for the same slice of pie and it's going to get pretty brutal pretty fast, IMO.

I'm the Director of Sales and Marketing for a hotel just on the cusp of downtown, and my ownership is already demanding I present my revenue replacement plan for the loss of the CC. We don't participate in many CC groups, but those CC groups push business up to us out of downtown. Without the CC we're going to have to work triple hard for the same business we'd normally have.

It has to happen, and the city will be better for it, but it's going to be a pretty dire four years.
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Old Posted May 19, 2023, 2:44 PM
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Yeah, that'll require a lot of creativity. Best of luck to you guys!
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Old Posted May 19, 2023, 2:59 PM
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Yeah, that'll require a lot of creativity. Best of luck to you guys!
Thanks! I'll circle back in 2027 and let you know how it's going!
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Thanks! I'll circle back in 2027 and let you know how it's going!
So does that mean no conventions at all while under construction? If so, that's absolutely insane.
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Old Posted May 19, 2023, 4:39 PM
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So does that mean no conventions at all while under construction? If so, that's absolutely insane.
At least it'll relive some stress at AUS. The new convention center would open in the same year as the new center concourse if we ever get the damn south terminal out of there.

How many hotels are under construction? They all have convention space that will likely be booked solid from 2025-29.
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Old Posted May 19, 2023, 4:43 PM
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So does that mean no conventions at all while under construction? If so, that's absolutely insane.
Yes that's what that means. They're exploring using alternate venues (like Moody Center, or Palmer Events Center, etc. as well as using the space at multiple hotels for a "campus" feel) but those are going to be heavy lifts, IMO, and rare.
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How many hotels are under construction? They all have convention space that will likely be booked solid from 2025-29.
They will definitely be booked solid, but all of the hotels in the city pipeline are medium to small (all less than 400 rooms, and most less than 200 rooms), and won't have space big enough for convention center groups. Even the Fairmont and the JW, our biggest boxes, can only handle a fraction of the space of the CC.
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They will definitely be booked solid, but all of the hotels in the city pipeline are medium to small (all less than 400 rooms, and most less than 200 rooms), and won't have space big enough for convention center groups. Even the Fairmont and the JW, our biggest boxes, can only handle a fraction of the space of the CC.
One wonders how this will affect the current pipeline overall. Seems like 2025-2026 would be an ideal time for any large hotel projects to start construction and be ready for the bigger CC.
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Old Posted May 19, 2023, 5:13 PM
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One wonders how this will affect the current pipeline overall. Seems like 2025-2026 would be an ideal time for any large hotel projects to start construction and be ready for the bigger CC.
Are there any CC sized hotels in the pipeline. I can't think of any off the top of my head. With the expansion it would make sense to add a few more.
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Old Posted May 19, 2023, 5:25 PM
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I wish they would just build a new convention center somewhere at or near the statesman site, and return the existing convention center land back to the street grid.
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Are there any CC sized hotels in the pipeline. I can't think of any off the top of my head. With the expansion it would make sense to add a few more.
None currently, but you're right, I think there's a very good chance we see a proposal for another JW/Fairmont sized hotel in the near future. Both of these hotels (as well as the Hilton and the Marriott Downtown) prefer to host groups in-house, and offer only a portion of their total room count to conventions. It's been an open problem for years that the CVB has had difficulty pulling adequate room blocks for CC conventions. We'll need to increase our room count significantly (IMO) to support that new cc space.
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Old Posted May 19, 2023, 7:38 PM
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Just posted at the ACC site:

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Major Redevelopment and Expansion Plans for Austin Convention Center Moves Forward
May 19, 2023
AUSTIN, Texas – On Monday, May 22, 2023, the City of Austin will seek a qualified professional design and engineering firm through a Request For Qualifications (RFQ) solicitation to provide comprehensive design, architecture, and engineering services for the redevelopment and expansion of the Austin Convention Center.

Upon the release, the RFQ kicks off the design stage of the project and is the next step in the redevelopment and expansion of the Austin Convention Center. The project has been studied and planned for several years to meet the demand from larger conventions and meeting groups that desire to come to Austin. Currently, the Austin Convention Center has 376,000 square feet of rentable space. The expansion and redevelopment target is to nearly double the amount of rentable space allowing the Center to remain competitive in the marketplace.

“This is an important day for the City of Austin. Releasing the RFQ for the design is the first of many steps, but is a vital one for our city’s future. An expanded convention center has been a topic of conversation for years and, as we continue to become a focal point in the world, we have to accommodate a large number of events,” said Kirk Watson, Mayor City of Austin. “With an inadequate convention center, we lose out to competitors and, consequently miss out on millions of dollars for our Austin community. With a bigger convention center, the economic impact to our city is estimated to jump to over $750 million annually, from the current $468 million. A larger facility also means more travelers to Austin and jobs in the Austin hospitality industry.”

“To give the community, visitors, and attendees the true authentic Austin experience, we want the new Austin Convention Center to be an iconic, innovative, and symbolic meeting location,” said Trisha Tatro, Director Austin Convention Center Department (ACCD). “Along with providing more rentable space, we want a signature design that will provide state-of-the-art technologies and be an industry-leading facility that is ready to exceed future clients’ needs.”

The current project timeline estimates that building closure, demolition, and construction activities will begin in 2025 with the new, larger facility reopening in 2029. The estimated project cost for the Austin Convention Center redevelopment and expansion is $1.6 billion and is fully funded from the Austin Convention Center’s allocation from the municipal Hotel Occupancy Tax (HOT) and Austin Convention Center revenues.

To minimize the impact on customers and the community, a one-phase building concept and approach model will be used for the construction project. In using a vertical approach to deliver a larger more efficient facility, the goal of the redevelopment of the Austin Convention Center is to transform the southeast corner of downtown into a community-centric destination for attendees and the community.

“Austin is blessed to have one of the liveliest urban cores in any American city that isn’t on a coast, but our convention center is outdated, undersized, and a barrier in the southeastern corner of Downtown,” said Zohaib Qadri, Austin City Council Member - District 9. “The vision to transform this space into a community-centric destination for visitors and residents alike while also re-stitching the grid is an exciting prospect for many reasons, not least of which is the fact that it could lead to new opportunities for a lot more affordable housing in the heart of District 9.”

Building within the same footprint, the project will integrate the exterior of the building into the fabric of the surrounding Palm District. It will reopen street grids, attracting visitors and locals alike to this iconic new structure in downtown Austin, and add an estimated additional $282 million of economic impact.

“We’re so pleased to support the Austin Convention Center and the City of Austin as they move forward with the redesign project,” said Michele Flores, SXSW Chief Logistics Officer. “While we’re excited about the prospect of reimagining SXSW for a few years, we look forward to returning to the new convention center in 2029 for an improved SXSW experience.”

“Austin is the 11th largest city in the U.S., but currently, we have the 59th largest Convention Center,” said Tom Noonan, President and CEO of Visit Austin. “In the last few years, we’ve seen roughly 50% of our Convention Center leads lost due to the lack of space or availability, so we know the demand for a new center is there. This new center will allow us to be more competitive within the state and with our major national competitors.”

“When downtown is filled with conventions, we see that impact across the entire city, in restaurants, live music venues, retail shops, and more. But, it doesn’t stop there. Hotel Occupancy Tax also supports our cultural arts programs, including music and historic preservation, so those will see a benefit from this redevelopment, as well,” said Noonan.

“Over the past decade, this project has been evaluated through many studies, including one from the University of Texas. All of the studies supported an expansion,” said Mayor Watson. “This is a big win for the City of Austin and its residents since this project is being funded by visitors who stay in hotels, and the funding is not coming out of our residents’ property taxes.”

The Austin Convention Center is located at 500 E. Cesar Chavez Street, Austin, TX 78701. More information about the history, timeline, and links to the studies of the redevelopment of the Austin Convention Center can be found here.
https://www.austinconventioncenter.c...-center-moves/
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Old Posted May 19, 2023, 9:24 PM
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With a 2025 construction start, when do you think we'll see the first renderings of the new center?
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2023, 1:19 PM
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Looks like item 12 of the next council meeting is finally back to that "tourism improvement district" idea.

https://www.austintexas.gov/departme...230720-reg.htm

looks like it's no longer funding homeless services ( I believe state law was changed to no longer make that an option.

Interestingly they plan to allocate the funds somewhat differently while the CC is closed.
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2023, 7:17 PM
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Is the train still going to run, how would one get south of the convention center from the train? What streets are closing and where is the construction staging going to be? Inquiring minds want to know......

BTW - 2025 start date seems pretty darn quick, as if they already have seen the designs and picked the winners. spooky.
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BTW - 2025 start date seems pretty darn quick, as if they already have seen the designs and picked the winners. spooky.

Honestly construction can't start soon enough. Should have started yesterday IMO but that still leaves some time for logistics to get sorted out.
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2023, 12:41 AM
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“The vision to transform this space into a community-centric destination for visitors and residents alike while also re-stitching the grid is an exciting prospect for many reasons, not least of which is the fact that it could lead to new opportunities for a lot more affordable housing in the heart of District 9.”

Building within the same footprint, the project will integrate the exterior of the building into the fabric of the surrounding Palm District. It will reopen street grids, attracting visitors and locals alike to this iconic new structure in downtown Austin...
Can't wait to see how they pull off this trick.

A new, larger CC, built within existing footprint, and reconnects the street grid. ... ummm ok. I'll believe it when I see it.
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I would assume that a good chunk will be under ground, some may be above in higher levels, plus they could connect the grid and still have a section built over the street.
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