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Old Posted Feb 23, 2023, 8:51 PM
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From the Real Deal, a look at the future office pipeline. Some of these projects are mixed-use (with hotel or residential). So the numbers only show office and retail ammounts.






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There’s a lengthy piece on the hotel in the Times….


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/02/n...vania-nyc.html

Once the World’s Largest, a Hotel Goes ‘Poof!’ Before Our Eyes
The Hotel Pennsylvania in Manhattan was a virtual city within a city. But in the end, nothing could save it.




By Dan Barry
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Bit by bit, floor by floor, the building that once rose 22 stories over Penn Station is shrinking before the city’s very eyes. The black netting draped over its ever-diminishing brick is like a magician’s handkerchief; once removed, it will reveal — nothing.

Behold: The Great Disappearing Act of the Hotel Pennsylvania.

This isn’t — or wasn’t — just any building. This was once the largest hotel on earth, with 2,200 rooms, shops, restaurants, its own newspaper, and a telephone number immortalized by the bandleader Glenn Miller with a 1940 song “Pennsylvania 6-5000,” for which the complete original lyrics are:

Pennsylvania Six Five Thousand

Pennsylvania Six Five Thousand
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…..But the Hotel Pennsylvania never quite had the cachet of the Plaza or the Waldorf Astoria. It came to depend on traveling salespeople, conventions devoted to dentistry or footwear, and tourists seeking affordable accommodations. In recent years, perhaps the most charitable review was: conveniently located.

In 2008, a hard pass by the city’s Landmarks Preservation Commission effectively sentenced the hotel to the same fate as the building it was designed to complement: the majestic Pennsylvania Station, the egregious razing of which in 1963 led to the creation of a city agency charged with protecting buildings of historic and cultural significance: the Landmarks Preservation Commission, of course.
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…..For two decades, the building’s owner, the real-estate behemoth Vornado Realty Trust, dithered about its plans (We’re knocking it down. No, we’re renovating! We’re knocking it down.) before moving ahead with demolition. A supertall office tower might replace it, or maybe a casino.

Some preservationists considered the hotel to be pedestrian and not worth saving. “Even if you’re a hard-core preservationist, your energies might be better spent elsewhere,” the city editor of New York magazine wrote in 2021.

Others disagreed, including Michael Devonshire, a preservation architect, a longtime member of the Landmarks Preservation Commission, and son of a certain soldier, James Devonshire, who found comfort once at the Hotel Pennsylvania. “I cannot think of a building more worthy of designation as a landmark,” he said. “Are you kidding me?”
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…..In early 2020, the coronavirus pandemic forced the Hotel Pennsylvania to close, which proved to be convenient to its owners. In announcing the inevitable a year later, Mr. Roth described the hotel as “decades past its glory and sell-by date.”

The Landmarks Preservation Commission seemed to agree. A commission spokeswoman said last month that the agency “has reviewed Hotel Pennsylvania numerous times over the last 20 years and determined each time that the property does not rise to the level of architectural significance necessary as a potential landmark.”

By this point, the Hotel Pennsylvania Preservation Society was just Mr. Lepore. The reality that the 22-story building was about to be removed from the cityscape didn’t hit him until he walked into the closed hotel for a liquidation sale. As he pored over leftovers of hospitality, looking for relics worth purchasing for posterity, a deep sadness came over him. He felt like a failed caretaker.

“In my head I was saying, ‘Sorry, I did everything I could,’” he recalled. “‘I’m sorry you’re going to be erased from the world.’
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^It's funny that they're keeping the Verizon ads up during the demolition. I mean it makes sense, might as well keep collecting the revenue from that, but don't think I've ever seen that done before either.
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Tower Fifth, Affirmation Tower, BIG's 2WTC, this tower...

All pretty ugly if you ask me, luckily some won't see the light of day.

NY deserves better
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I'm with ya Zappy, the original design was sleak and refined that looked more sophisticated.. this thing looks like my cousin's Jenga set with moss growing on it. 😂

Dont get me started on Larry $tinkstein on muddling up Foster's original 2WTC to the other Jenga tower with mildew growing on it currently proposed 25 years later.
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I'm with ya Zappy, the original design was sleak and refined that looked more sophisticated.. this thing looks like my cousin's Jenga set with moss growing on it. 😂

Dont get me started on Larry $tinkstein on muddling up Foster's original 2WTC to the other Jenga tower with mildew growing on it currently proposed 25 years later.
What "original design"? If you mean the Pelli design that wasn't the "original design".

As for the current iteration of 2 WTC, it looks perfectly fine.
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What "original design"? If you mean the Pelli design that wasn't the "original design".

As for the current iteration of 2 WTC, it looks perfectly fine.
Stop defending your atrocious watered-down purchasing habits. Substituting faux black rubber pants do not reasonably replace leather pants cowboy. 😂 😆


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^It's funny that they're keeping the Verizon ads up during the demolition. I mean it makes sense, might as well keep collecting the revenue from that, but don't think I've ever seen that done before either.

It will also be required on the new buildings. Vornado also has a lot of retail holdings in the area, and something that isn't mentioned a lot is that the amount of retail will increase on these sites.



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It will be very sad if this site exists as a vacant lot for the next decade.
Seeing as how you don't know that will happen, you should find something more concrete to worry about.
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What a mess.
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bugly, but maybe nice material choices and good worksmanship can redeem it?
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The problem with that design, and potentially a factor (however big or small) in in tenants having signed on yet, is it eliminates one of the big advantages of working high in a skyscraper on those wide open floors - the view of midtown. On marketing materials for all these mew towers, fratured prominately is the view. For this tower, the better view would be north. The floors are too wide to be blocked almost completely.
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Terrible from every angle and a disaster looking at it from uptown.

I'd prefer the lot remain empty for a few years until they can refine or completely alter the design.
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It looks fine. Those views from the top level would be amazing.
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I feel nothing.

What a mess.
True let's hope it stays in limbo so we can have a redesign or better still go back to something like the original design. Oh and lose a couple of 100ft

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Oof. That backside is brutal. Not that the other sides are pretty.
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