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Originally Posted by mhays

Actually Oregon was #20 in foreign-born per capita per the 2021 ACS, so above median. But at 9.7% it was still only 2/3 of the 13.6% average per capita.

Most states are below-average.

Not to split hairs, but the 2021 ACS data source you reference included D.C., so Oregon is really 19th. I used the 2020 census when I made my comment about Oregon being in the upper 1/3rd of states in terms of foreign-born population, which I tend to believe more than the ACS. 2020 Census has Oregon at 17th.

Again, average per capita is meaningless when you have big states like CA, NY, NJ and Florida bringing the average up. As you alluded, median of per capita is a more meaningful picture of where a state falls within the ranks. Oregon is 135% above median per capita foreign born population, so I just have to disagree with your original statement that "Oregon is always a low-immigration state".

[The North One]

How does North Carolina have well over ten million people?? Who are they? Where are they living? Charlotte metro has only like 2.6 million.

The state seems irrelevant too, especially compared to Georgia. Yet they're close in population? Makes no sense.

[jmecklenborg]

Originally Posted by The North One

How does North Carolina have well over ten million people?? Who are they? Where are they living? Charlotte metro has only like 2.6 million.

...and DT Charlotte is maybe 9 miles from the South Carolina border, meaning the metro is already spreading into a neighboring state.

Meanwhile, the tiny 1.4 million population of Hawaii occupies a large space in the nation's mind.

[ChiSoxRox]

Originally Posted by The North One

How does North Carolina have well over ten million people?? Who are they? Where are they living? Charlotte metro has only like 2.6 million.

The state seems irrelevant too, especially compared to Georgia. Yet they're close in population? Makes no sense.

On a similar note I was looking over the USNWR College Rankings, and was surprised to see Duke in the top 10. I knew Duke was a high-ranked university, but didn't realize it was the top ranked Southern university and alongside Cal Tech and U of Chicago.

[mrnyc]

weeellll alright, alright, alrighty ...


People of color make up 95% of Texas’ population growth, and cities and suburbs are booming, 2020 census shows

The state’s Hispanic population is now nearly as large as the non-Hispanic white population, with Texas gaining nearly 11 Hispanic residents for every additional white resident since 2010. Those trends set up a pitched battle for political control when state lawmakers redraw legislative districts.

BY ALEXA URA, JASON KAO, CARLA ASTUDILLO AND CHRIS ESSIG AUG. 12, 2021


more:
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08...s-2020-census/



also ....


U.S. population growth has nearly flatlined, new census data shows

William H. Frey Thursday, December 23, 2021


from the U.S. Census Bureau. Population growth over the 12-month period from July 1, 2020 through July 1, 2021 stood at unprecedented low of just 0.12%. This is the lowest annual growth since the Bureau began collecting such statistics in 1900, and reflects how all components of population change—deaths, births, and immigration levels—were impacted during a period when the COVID-19 pandemic became most prevalent.


more:
https://www.brookings.edu/research/u...us-data-shows/

[DCReid]

Originally Posted by ChiSoxRox

On a similar note I was looking over the USNWR College Rankings, and was surprised to see Duke in the top 10. I knew Duke was a high-ranked university, but didn't realize it was the top ranked Southern university and alongside Cal Tech and U of Chicago.

Seriously? In addition to Charotte, NC has Research triangle CSA of over 2 million and growing nearly as fast as the Texas metros, and a CSA further north encompassing Greensboro and Winston-Salem of over 1.5 million. The Research Triangle has been around for decades attracting all sorts of tech and medical businesses, and it doesn't hurt that NC has good universities including Duke and UNC, while known for their basketball, have been highly competitive for years. Some Northern people that retire move down to FL find it too hot and move up the Carolinas instead; I forgot the term they use for it...

[galleyfox]

Originally Posted by DCReid

Some Northern people that retire move down to FL find it too hot and move up the Carolinas instead; I forgot the term they use for it...

Halfback

[Kngkyle]

Considering the track record of the Census Bureau in Illinois I find it hard to take any of their numbers without planet-sized grains of salt.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by The North One

How does North Carolina have well over ten million people?? Who are they? Where are they living? Charlotte metro has only like 2.6 million.

The state seems irrelevant too, especially compared to Georgia. Yet they're close in population? Makes no sense.

North Carolina is similar to Ohio. They have a several medium sized metros, but no single big metro.

[Buckeye Native 001]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

North Carolina is similar to Ohio. They have a several medium sized metros, but no single big metro.

North Carolina also has The Research Triangle and the Piedmont Triad, two things Ohio would kill to have if only for the economic and population boosts.

[wwmiv]

Originally Posted by The North One

How does North Carolina have well over ten million people?? Who are they? Where are they living? Charlotte metro has only like 2.6 million.

The state seems irrelevant too, especially compared to Georgia. Yet they're close in population? Makes no sense.

Comparison

North Carolina

Metrolina (Charlotte) CSA: ~2.5 million (in NC)
Triangle (Raleigh, Chapel Hill, Durham) CSA: ~2 million
Triad (Greensboro, High Point, Winston-Salem, Burlington) CSA: ~1.6 million

Fayetteville: ~600k
Asheville: ~500k
Hickory: ~400k
Wilmington: ~300k

Balance: ~2.4 million (Jacksonville, New Bern, Rocky Mount, Greenville, and Goldsboro being the smallest metros)

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Georgia

Atlanta CSA (inc. Athens and Gainesville): ~7 million

Augusta: ~500k (in GA)
Savannah: ~500k
Macon-Warner Robins: ~500k
Columbus: ~300k (in GA)

Balance: ~1.9 million (Valdosta, Dalton, and Brunswick are included here)

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Conclusions

They both have similar small town to large town and rural populations.
They both have a similar number of small cities, which are also similar in size.
The difference is that North Carolina has three medium population centers (Metrolina, the Triangle, and the Triad) whereas Georgia has one large population center (metro Atlanta and its satellites).

Carolina as a whole, rather than viewing the two separately, you’d also be able to add another medium sized population center (Metro Upstate, ~1.3 million), another three smaller population centers (Midlands/Columbia at ~900k, Downstate/Charleston at ~800k, and Myrtle Beach at ~500k), another 500k in the SC Metrolina suburbs, and ~1.2 million in disconnected small towns and rural areas.

South Carolina is simply the more rural version of the two without a truly major city.

I am sure someone will quibble with my mixed usage of CSAs and MSAs and throwing in mSAs with rural areas, but tbqh Carolinians view their major population centers as being six: Metrolina, Triangle, Triad, Upstate, Midlands, and the Downstate irrespective of muni boundaries or the particularities of metro areas. Asheville and Myrtle Beach are largely overgrown vacation towns.

[Steely Dan]

To put it in terms TNO can relate to, GA is more like IL (a state controlled by a single mega-metro, and NC is more like OH (a a state with a constellation of medium and small metros).

[chris08876]

Credit: Nick Gerli

[The North One]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

To put it in terms TNO can relate to, GA is more like IL (a state controlled by a single mega-metro, and NC is more like OH (a a state with a constellation of medium and small metros).

NC seems to take it to an extreme though. Way more split up than Ohio. The state is basically just a bunch of moderate sized towns. It's bizarre.

[jmecklenborg]

Originally Posted by Buckeye Native 001

North Carolina also has The Research Triangle and the Piedmont Triad, two things Ohio would kill to have if only for the economic and population boosts.

That's branding. There is plenty of research and hi-tech manufacturing going on in Ohio, it's just not well-publicized.

NC seems to take it to an extreme though. Way more split up than Ohio. The state is basically just a bunch of moderate sized towns. It's bizarre.

...with wimpy downtowns. Winston-Salem? Greensboro? These places are like Youngstown and Hamilton, OH.

[TempleGuy1000]

Originally Posted by The North One

How does North Carolina have well over ten million people?? Who are they? Where are they living? Charlotte metro has only like 2.6 million.

The state seems irrelevant too, especially compared to Georgia. Yet they're close in population? Makes no sense.

That's an interesting perspective. From my own personal anecdotes, NC is a more relevant place to people living in the Northeast. From vacationing to going to university, to moving to 'greener pastures', NC is more popular than GA IMO.

[Antares41]

Yeah, North Carolina just seem to be a nice "in-between state" for a lot of different factors people care about: not too poor not too rich, mountains to beaches, urban to rural, four season climate, high tech areas and agricultural areas etc, etc. Only explanation I can come up with the makes sense to me.

[wwmiv]

https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...clarifications

[Steely Dan]

^ thanks!

quickly perusing the data for major cities, I'm not seeing any significant changes with the CB's new methodology.

Unless I missed something.

Lots of big growth in the usual sunbelters.

[wwmiv]

Rank (Previous). City. 2020 Criteria and 2020 UA Population (2010 Criteria and 2010 UA Population)

Note: highlighted colors should not he used to infer growth alone—due to the change in methodology from population density to housing unit density, highlighted colors should be interpreted as a mixture of both growth rates and methodology changes affecting included/excluded territory. Therefore, green should be interpreted as simply larger in population, black should be interpreted as meaning similar population, and red should be interpreted as meaning a smaller population in 2020 using the 2020 methodology than in 2010 using the 2010 methodology. Use caution when attempting to speak about growth rates inferred from these numbers—those rates are only part of the story and I have left them off for these reasons.

1. NYC: 19,426,449 (18,351,285)
2. LA: 12,237,376 (12,150,996)
3. Chicago: 8,671,746 (8,608,208)
4. Miami: 6,077,522 (5,502,379)
5 (7). Houston: 5,853,575 (4,944,332)
6. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington: 5,732,354 (5,121,892)
7 (5). Philadelphia: 5,696,125 (5,441,567)
8. D.C.: 5,174,759 (4,586,770)
9. Atlanta: 4,999,259 (4,515,419)
10. Boston: 4,382,009 (4,181,019)

11 (12). Phoenix: 3,976,313 (3,629,114)
12 (11). Detroit: 3,776,890 (3,734,090)
13 (14). Seattle: 3,544,011 (3,059,393)
14 (13). San Francisco-Oakland: 3,269,385 (3,281,212)
15. San Diego: 3,070,300 (2,956,746)
16. Minneapolis-St. Paul: 2,914,866 (2,650,890)
17. Tampa-St. Pete: 2,783,045 (2,441,770)
18. Denver: 2,686,147 (2,374,203)
19 (22). Riverside-San Bernardino: 2,276,703 (1,932,666)
20 (19). Baltimore: 2,212,038 (2,203,663)

21 (23). Vegas: 2,196,623 (1,886,011)
22 (20). St. Louis: 2,156,323 (2,150,706)
23 (24). Portland: 2,104,238 (1,849,898)
24 (26). San Antonio: 1,992,689 (1,758,210)
25 (28). Sacramento: 1,946,618 (1,723,634)
26 (32). Orlando: 1,853,896 (1,510,516)
27 (21). San Juan: 1,844,410 (2,148,346)
28 (29). San Jose: 1,837,446 (1,664,496)
29 (37). Austin: 1,809,888 (1,362,416)
30 (27). Pittsburgh: 1,745,039 (1,733,853)

31 (25). Cleveland: 1,712,178 (1,780,673)
32 (33). Indianapolis: 1,699,881 (1,487,483)
33 (30). Cincinnati: 1,686,744 (1,624,827)
34 (31). KC: 1,674,218 (1,519,417)
35 (36). Columbus: 1,567,254 (1,368,035)
36 (34). Virginia Beach: 1,451,578 (1,439,666)
37 (38). Charlotte: 1,379,873 (1,362,442)
38 (35). Milwaukee: 1,306,795 (1,376,476)
39. Providence: 1,285,806 (1,190,956)
40. Jacksonville: 1,247,374 (1,065,219)
41 (42). SLC: 1,178,533 (1,021,243)

42 (44). Nashville: 1,158,642 (969,587)
43 (50). Raleigh: 1,106,646 (894,881)
44 (45). Richmond: 1,059,150 (953,556)
45 (41). Memphis: 1,056,190 (1,060,061)