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Old Posted Mar 3, 2023, 9:32 PM
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I'm surprised SF refines as much fuel that it does

Where does that happen?

On the east end by Richmond and the burg of Chicago or Oakland.

I figure both or all three airports need a lot of jet fuel, and the ships need bunker fuel, but is bunker oil produced at refineries?

Can't it be pipelined easier from So Cal or
Alaska?

I understand why Chicago being a major Midwestern transportation hub can produce so much crude. I think they get a lot from the Tar Sands in Canada
And there are some huge refineries there but nothing as massive as those on the gulf coast Like those in southeast Texas and Louisiana.

Those are critical. And if several went out during a natural crisis like a hurricane or even a limited nuclear war it would be a national disaster since Biden or better said his handlers have already drawn down the SOR to less than 50% now due to elctions and politics.
San Francisco doesn't refine any fuel, all the refineries are up near Hercules and Vallejo/Concord
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The vast majority of auto jobs are with suppliers. The global suppliers are all in the Detroit area. It's the only place on earth you have to be as a global supplier.

Yes, for auto firms, the front-offices often aren't in Detroit, but the engineering is almost always around Detroit and the engineering ranks are much more consequential than the front-office ranks. GM Tech offices in Warren are bigger and more important than GM HQ in Downtown Detroit. If you want to work on Mercedes powertrain software you have to be in Detroit, even if North American offices are in Atlanta area. Those are marketing jobs.
None of the 5 largest autoparts suppliers (ranked by revenues) in the world are headquartered in Detroit.

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None of the 5 largest autoparts suppliers (ranked by revenues) in the world are headquartered in Detroit.

All of the North America HQs for those companies are in Detroit except for Magna. Magna's US HQ is in Detroit.
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A surprising number of Americans (and non Canadians in general) think that you need to know French to get by in Canada across the country, even if they are aware that the whole country doesn’t always speak it.

You see posts on Reddit all the time asking questions like “I’m going to school in London, ON, do I need to know French?”… which is just hilarious from a Canadian perspective.
Years ago when I told my French teacher at a suburban high school outside Houston that I had lived in Canada, she asked if I’d attended a lycée. I didn’t even know what a lycée was at the time. I told her that in suburban Toronto what I had attended was called a “secondary school.”
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Old Posted Mar 4, 2023, 5:29 PM
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They can speak English for sure but would instantly sound "foreign, from somewhere" to American ears.
The minute someone with a vaguely French-like accent pronounces “the” as “duh,” and not the stereotypical French “zuh,” I know where they’re from. But then, my first ever French teacher was a Québécoise named Madame France. Great name for a French teacher.
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San Francisco doesn't refine any fuel, all the refineries are up near Hercules and Vallejo/Concord
You need to start thinking less about municipal boundaries, and more about metro areas. The San Francisco metro area/Bay Area, or "San Francisco", as some might say, refines lots of fuel. Hercules and Concord are in the SF MSA, and Vallejo is in the SF CSA.

And for the record, the Bay Area's refineries are in Richmond, Rodeo (this one is named the Phillips 66 San Francisco refinery, by the way), Benicia, and Martinez/Pacheco (though that refinery does have an entrance in Concord).
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You need to start thinking less about municipal boundaries, and more about metro areas. The San Francisco metro area/Bay Area, or "San Francisco", as some might say, refines lots of fuel. Hercules and Concord are in the SF MSA, and Vallejo is in the SF CSA.

And for the record, the Bay Area's refineries are in Richmond, Rodeo (this one is named the Phillips 66 San Francisco refinery, by the way), Benicia, and Martinez/Pacheco (though that refinery does have an entrance in Concord).
Fair point. But no one in San Francisco wants anything to do with the East Bay.
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I have met Americans and others internationally that think Canada is mostly French speaking. But I think it’s much more common for people to think that all Canadians are fluent in both French and English. Which isn’t really the case in large parts of the country. Though on the whole I think most Anglo Canadians know more basic French than they give themselves credit for (even if we can’t hold a conversation!).
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Fair point. But no one in San Francisco wants anything to do with the East Bay.
LOL maybe if by 'no one', you are referring to provincial gadflies stuck in the 1970s, or ignorant transplants that need to stfu, but in 2023 it's really not like that anymore.
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LOL maybe if by 'no one', you are referring to provincial gadflies stuck in the 1970s, or ignorant transplants that need to stfu, but in 2023 it's really not like that anymore.
Yeah, that's a really old-fashioned sentiment he's repeating. In the 24 years I lived in SF proper, I must have gone to the East Bay several hundred times--especially in the latter 15 years or so--to visit friends and family, go on group bike rides, bar crawls, enjoy fine meals, etc.
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LOL maybe if by 'no one', you are referring to provincial gadflies stuck in the 1970s, or ignorant transplants that need to stfu, but in 2023 it's really not like that anymore.
Yes. A peculiar comment indeed.

I think there used to be a sense of elitism from San Franciscans back in the day (over Oakland and the East Bay) but it’s not as common anymore. Nowadays it’s probably most prevalent in transplants. I remember he once claimed you can’t see SF from Mt Tam (obviously wrong) so I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s one of those that never leaves SF proper.
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Must be the only city where people in core neighborhoods say bad things about outer ones, and vice versa.
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Years ago when I told my French teacher at a suburban high school outside Houston that I had lived in Canada, she asked if I’d attended a lycée. I didn’t even know what a lycée was at the time. I told her that in suburban Toronto what I had attended was called a “secondary school.”
The education system is probably pretty much universal and the same everywhere anyway.
Here in France, it goes this way:

1. École maternelle (nursery) meant for little kids aged 3 to 5. Those are not mandatory. People who think their little kids are still better off at home may spare them from it. It is nonetheless recommended to socialize kids as soon as possible.
For instance, if you think it is too soon for your 3-yo kid to attend such a nursery, it is up to you.

2. École (enseignement) primaire/ élémentaire, 1st to 5th grade (elementary school) meant for kids aged 6 to 10. Obviously mandatory.

3. Collège (middle school, 6th to 9th grade) meant for pre-teens aged 11 to 14. Mandatory. That's the 1st stage of so called secondary education.

4. Lycée (high school, 10th to 12th grade) meant for teens aged 15 to 17. 2nd stage of secondary education.
As for teens who don't feel comfortable with or interested in "regular" education, we have alternatives to specialize them in skilled craftsmanship. Make no mistake, there are good careers and money to make there too.
You don't necessarily need a postgraduate degree to be successful in your occupation.
There are cooks who make more money than engineers over here...

5. Université/ Grande École (college/ university) meant for post-secondary students. The higher education system is common to all EU countries and is often refered to as LMD (licence, master, doctorat) here in France.
The French Grandes Écoles are a bit peculiar in that they are highly selective, so teens would better be good at lycée if they want to attend that kind of colleges. They are nonetheless public and mostly funded by taxpayers, thus accessible to all social classes on principle.

That's about it. The only tiny oddity to us when it comes to the US system is that their higher education establishments are usually called 'colleges', while a collège is only a middle school in French.
Otherwise, it is quite strictly the same.
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The minute someone with a vaguely French-like accent pronounces “the” as “duh,” and not the stereotypical French “zuh,” I know where they’re from. But then, my first ever French teacher was a Québécoise named Madame France. Great name for a French teacher.
ha - better than my Ukrainian French teacher from back in public school. Would pronounce everything with a Ukrainian accent and then get upset when the class would say it with the same accent back to her, which was "wrong". Nice woman, not a very good teacher.

Most Anglo Canadian's level of French I always pictured being probably pretty similar to the average Texan's level of Spanish, especially if they live outside of the "hybrid" French areas like Ottawa or New Brunswick. They know a few words, perhaps know the basic grammatical structures.. but that's about it.

I know Canada doesn't figure largely into American's lives, thus why there are so many misconceptions about the country.. It's an odd relationship, with many American's almost forgetting Canada exists while most Canadians having regular ties to the US through work, vacations, family, friends, media, etc.

Very lopsided that way.
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I have met Americans and others internationally that think Canada is mostly French speaking. But I think it’s much more common for people to think that all Canadians are fluent in both French and English. Which isn’t really the case in large parts of the country. Though on the whole I think most Anglo Canadians know more basic French than they give themselves credit for (even if we can’t hold a conversation!).
Good that you brought that up as it's also a fairly widespread perception that Canadians are these multilingual Swiss-adjacent North Americans.

Far from the reality. Even about half of French Canadians speak only French.
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The education system is probably pretty much universal and the same everywhere anyway.
Here in France, it goes this way:

1. École maternelle (nursery) meant for little kids aged 3 to 5. Those are not mandatory. People who think their little kids are still better off at home may spare them from it. It is nonetheless recommended to socialize kids as soon as possible.
For instance, if you think it is too soon for your 3-yo kid to attend such a nursery, it is up to you.

2. École (enseignement) primaire/ élémentaire, 1st to 5th grade (elementary school) meant for kids aged 6 to 10. Obviously mandatory.

3. Collège (middle school, 6th to 9th grade) meant for pre-teens aged 11 to 14. Mandatory. That's the 1st stage of so called secondary education.

4. Lycée (high school, 10th to 12th grade) meant for teens aged 15 to 17. 2nd stage of secondary education.
As for teens who don't feel comfortable with or interested in "regular" education, we have alternatives to specialize them in skilled craftsmanship. Make no mistake, there are good careers and money to make there too.
You don't necessarily need a postgraduate degree to be successful in your occupation.
There are cooks who make more money than engineers over here...

5. Université/ Grande École (college/ university) meant for post-secondary students. The higher education system is common to all EU countries and is often refered to as LMD (licence, master, doctorat) here in France.
The French Grandes Écoles are a bit peculiar in that they are highly selective, so teens would better be good at lycée if they want to attend that kind of colleges. They are nonetheless public and mostly funded by taxpayers, thus accessible to all social classes on principle.

That's about it. The only tiny oddity to us when it comes to the US system is that their higher education establishments are usually called 'colleges', while a collège is only a middle school in French.
Otherwise, it is quite strictly the same.
Thanks. My point, though, was that when I told her I had lived in Canada, she immediately assumed I had gone to a French language school.

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I know Canada doesn't figure largely into American's lives, thus why there are so many misconceptions about the country.. It's an odd relationship, with many American's almost forgetting Canada exists while most Canadians having regular ties to the US through work, vacations, family, friends, media, etc.

Very lopsided that way.
In 1971 (Yep. I’m an old timer), when my dad came home and said we were moving to Toronto, I was, like: What’s a Toronto? I knew about Vancouver because my mom grew up in Everett, WA and always told us she hated Seattle but loved Vancouver. I knew about Montreal because of the Expos and Expo ‘67… I thought Fuller’s geodesic dome and Safdie’s Habitat were totally cool… but Toronto? Had no idea.

Also, the whole “Americans knew nothing about Canada while Canadians knew more than they wanted to about the States” thing was something I heard all the time even then. Also Canadians were always expecting the US to invade Canada at any moment. Oh, and the Canadian Falls were better than the American, of course.

ETA: Just remembered that the first half of 8th grade history was US history. It wasn’t until the second half that we got to Canadian history.

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In 1971 (Yep. I’m an old timer), when my dad came home and said we were moving to Toronto, I was, like: What’s a Toronto? I knew about Vancouver because my mom grew up in Everett, WA and always told us she hated Seattle but loved Vancouver. I knew about Montreal because of the Expos and Expo ‘67… I thought Fuller’s geodesic dome and Safdie’s Habitat were totally cool… but Toronto? Had no idea.

Also, the whole “Americans knew nothing about Canada while Canadians knew more than they wanted to about the States” thing was something I heard all the time even then. Also Canadians were always expecting the US to invade Canada at any moment. Oh, and the Canadian Falls were better than the American, of course.

ETA: Just remembered that the first half of 8th grade history was US history. It wasn’t until the second half that we got to Canadian history.
Interesting you should bring that up. Never understood why American history should get so much attention in Canadian public schools, in some parts of the country at least.
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How does any listing put Vancouver ahead of Seattle or Montreal? Even in Canada, Vancouver is considered an also-ran and it has no head offices or major manufacturing like Seattle.

I'm surprised Ottawa wasn't on the list especially considering Tampa was. Ottawa has a huge high-tech sector, is a city of 1.5 million and most of all is a capitol which means a huge amount.

I also think this list underestimated Detroit. Detroit is certainly not near as important as it once was but it is still a monstrous industrial centre and home to the automakers. Just because the city has been rotting doesn't mean it's still not a manufacturing powerhouse.
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Interesting you should bring that up. Never understood why American history should get so much attention in Canadian public schools, in some parts of the country at least.

Probably has to do with the US being a dominant cultural and political force especially with respect to Canada. Perhaps before WW2, there was less emphasis on American history and more on UK and France.

Here in the US, European history is by far more prevalent in K-12 history classes because we are an offshoot.
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