Canadian LRT/RT projects U/C

[Acajack]

Gatineau always had a right turns on red ban along its Rapibus BRT corridor, but there were still crashes in the early going.

You can see it here. There is a dedicated green arrow (red in the photo) for vehicles turning right and crossing the BRT corridor. The bus you see is in the reserved corridor.

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4788...7i16384!8i8192

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Disagree. I believe that right on red helps with flow and makes sense for most intersections.

Don't try to fix stupid.

It would make the streets much safer for pedestrians, especially in busy downtown areas. Right on red cars often think they have the right of way over left on green arrow too, and when someone doesn't want to turn right on red, chances are the guy behind will honk his horn. Then you have the issue of right of red cars creeping into the crosswalk to see oncoming cars, blocking pedestrians. All around, right on reds create a lot of conflict, and not just with transit vehicles.

Originally Posted by Acajack

Gatineau always had a right turns on red ban along its Rapibus BRT corridor, but there were still crashes in the early going.

You can see it here. There is a dedicated green arrow (red in the photo) for vehicles turning right and crossing the BRT corridor. The bus you see is in the reserved corridor.

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4788...7i16384!8i8192

Those are crazy intersections; seven lane stroad, train track, two lane busway. For those who don't know, one area has a 4 lane highway type road, train track, two lane busway, multi-use pathway, and another three lane road. Over 100 meters wide. It's nutz.

https://www.google.com/maps/search/m.../data=!3m1!1e3

Very few people actually live near the RapiBus. Almost all big box retail, malls, office and industrial. Quite a few lost opportunities.

[Coldrsx]

As mentioned, in certain situations it makes sense to prohibit them, but in many cases it keeps things moving.

The main intersections here prohibit right on red to protect pedestrians/cyclists with clear lights and signage.

The rest of the intersections you can make a right on red.

It simply takes a little care and attention to recognize the rules of the road.

[feepa]

there are already many left/right turn restrictions now in place on the new SE LRT route, and right on red not allowed, but crashes are still happening, and we haven't even reached peak volume testing yet.
Dont fix stupid, but you can design to prevent stupid from being a regular occurance. This line has many flaws, and part of that is not grade separation for a few intersections on this line. Cost was deemed an issue, but on the next line to the NW and St Albert, we have learned a thing or two - the same type of intersections like 137 avenue are being properly grade separated.

[Nouvellecosse]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Disagree. I believe that right on red helps with flow and makes sense for most intersections.

Don't try to fix stupid.

Originally Posted by J.OT13

It would make the streets much safer for pedestrians, especially in busy downtown areas. Right on red cars often think they have the right of way over left on green arrow too, and when someone doesn't want to turn right on red, chances are the guy behind will honk his horn. Then you have the issue of right of red cars creeping into the crosswalk to see oncoming cars, blocking pedestrians. All around, right on reds create a lot of conflict, and not just with transit vehicles.

In my experience, right on red needs much better enforcement. Legally it's supposed to be similar to a stop sign in that you come to a complete stop, look carefully in all directions, and proceed only when you're sure it's safe. It should be treated as a special exception to avoid waiting out the cycle rather than the right of way being seen as an automatic default. But there's a few intersections I deal with (usually with suburban-style rounded corners) where cars just fly though the right turn without even stopping as if it was a green light. There should be cameras that ticket people doing that as if they were just running a red light because that's basically when it is.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

It would make the streets much safer for pedestrians, especially in busy downtown areas. Right on red cars often think they have the right of way over left on green arrow too, and when someone doesn't want to turn right on red, chances are the guy behind will honk his horn. Then you have the issue of right of red cars creeping into the crosswalk to see oncoming cars, blocking pedestrians. All around, right on reds create a lot of conflict, and not just with transit vehicles.



Those are crazy intersections; seven lane stroad, train track, two lane busway. For those who don't know, one area has a 4 lane highway type road, train track, two lane busway, multi-use pathway, and another three lane road. Over 100 meters wide. It's nutz.

https://www.google.com/maps/search/m.../data=!3m1!1e3
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I actually bike there quite regularly on my way to other places. It's not pastoral of course but really not that bad.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I actually bike there quite regularly on my way to other places. It's not pastoral of course but really not that bad.

Certainly looks better than it used to be. They even added a crosswalk from La Gappe to Maloney over the RapuBus and train tracks. When I was young walking to and from high-school, we would be dozens of kids going down into the ditch, over the railroad track, back down into the ditch, ran to the other side of Maloney, up and down the next ditch and over the fence behind Future Shop (now Canada Computers/SAQ). Someone had built make-shift bridges in the ditches so that our feet wouldn't get wet.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/illegal-...nsed-1.6322262

This was one of the reasons the Confederation Line in Ottawa got away from street running and level crossings.

[J.OT13]

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[craner]

^Wow. I’m always blown away by the scope of the LRT work going on in Ottawa.

For the record on the “right on red” discussion:
I think it would be a great overreaction to ban all ror turns. It does need to made clear with proper signage, control lighting, etc. where ror is not permitted.

[craner]

Re: Ontario Line in Toronto

http://https://www.constructioncanada.net/french-construction-giant-gets-6b-contract-for-ontario-line/

[Ozabald]

Quick question. For both the Scarborough Subway extension and Ontario Line, will both be using existing TTC rolling stock?

[DirectionNorth]

Originally Posted by Ozabald

Quick question. For both the Scarborough Subway extension and Ontario Line, will both be using existing TTC rolling stock?

The Scarborough Subway Extension will be an extension of the existing Line 2, and use current TTC rolling stock.

The Ontario Line is supposed to use Hitachi trains, a "light metro" variety like those used in Honolulu, Copenhagen, or Rome. These won't be like the current TTC stock.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by DirectionNorth

The Scarborough Subway Extension will be an extension of the existing Line 2, and use current TTC rolling stock.

The Ontario Line is supposed to use Hitachi trains, a "light metro" variety like those used in Honolulu, Copenhagen, or Rome. These won't be like the current TTC stock.

IIRC, the tunnels and guideways won't even be large enough to take regular TTC subway rolling stock for the OL.

[JHikka]

GO was testing its new 1KM-long overpass at the Davenport Diamond interchange today:


https://twitter.com/ProjectEND/statu...89911228301312

This improvement will grade separate the Barrie Line from the east-west CP line it meets at Davenport.

[caltrane74]

Haha! They made space for electrification.


Beautiful to see 😊

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by JHikka

GO was testing its new 1KM-long overpass at the Davenport Diamond interchange today:


https://twitter.com/ProjectEND/statu...89911228301312

This improvement will grade separate the Barrie Line from the east-west CP line it meets at Davenport.

Metrolinx continuing to plug away at building out an S-Bahn network out of GO. Exciting stuff! And glad to see it happening.

[Coldrsx]

Edmonton's LRT to nowhere ahead of schedule and ready to serve, someone, anyone.
https://edmontonjournal.com/opinion/...ere-blatchford

[madog222]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Edmonton's LRT to nowhere ahead of schedule and ready to serve, someone, anyone.
https://edmontonjournal.com/opinion/...ere-blatchford

Are you recommending TODs be built before the transit?

[Coldrsx]

No, but focussing on low-density phases not walkable to your $250,000,000 transit expansion and not planning to build around said stations for A WHILE is something to chat about.