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[tjp]

Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

From now on tjp must say that the CTA is operating great every day in order to keep the system running!

I’m feeling really good about the CTA today, guys!

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by tjp

I’m feeling really good about the CTA today, guys!

Trains running smoothly, I'm on it right now!

[RedCorsair87]

Wow, thats really interesting! Keep reinventing yourself, Chicago!

[tjp]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

Trains running smoothly, I'm on it right now!

You’re welcome.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by Stockerzzz

Is there anything interesting in that data?

Just started looking at it..so here's some foreign born stuff

Foreign Born, Top Increases Chicago MSA from 2017 to 2018
1. India: +12,300 people
2. China: +4154 people
3. Philippines: +4087 people
4. UK: +2834 people
5. Haiti: +2682
6. Asia n.e.c. +2542
7. Cameroon: +2114 people
8. Turkey: +2010 people
9. Albania: +1840 people
10. Nigeria: +1726 people
11. Serbia: +1713 people
12. Canada: +1627 people
13. Macedonia: +1382 people
14. Barbados: +1317 people
15. Iraq: +1293 people

Foreign Born, Top Decreases Chicago MSA from 2017 to 2018
1. Mexico: -20,528 people
2. Poland: -7701 people
3. Honduras: -5151 people
4. Other Eastern Europe: -4403 people
5. Guatemala: -4234 people
6. El Salvador: -3399 people
7. Egypt: -3196 people
8. Ukraine: -2345 people
9. Pakistan: -2217 people
10. Saudi Arabia: -2040 people
11. Jamaica: -1977 people
12. Other Northern Africa: -1942 people
13. Laos: -1817 people
14. Other South Central Asia: -1796 people
15. Cuba: -1390 people

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by Stockerzzz

^ Wow, a total decrease of -20,515 within the top 15 groups with a notable gain from Asia and loss from Mexico + Central America.

I wonder if a lot of hispanic immigrants are simply not responding as hispanic due to the political climate.

[the urban politician]

Why are Jamaicans leaving, mon?

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

Why are Jamaicans leaving, mon?

It's possible it's just a correction of another previous year's increase, but I think there's an actual downward trend if IIRC.

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by marothisu

It's possible it's just a correction of another previous year's increase, but I think there's an actual downward trend if IIRC.

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[marothisu]

Chicago city (haven't checked MSA yet) doing awesome with increase of $100K+ households, especially $200K+ households.

Change in $100K+ Households 2017 to 2018
1. NYC: +60,844 households
2. Chicago: +28,073 households
3. Los Angeles: +23,310 households
4. Austin: +17,680 households
5. Seattle: +16,861 households
6. Portland: +16,011 households
7. Philadelphia: 14,498 households
8. San Diego: +12,401 households
9. Houston: +11,869 households
10. Phoenix: +11,492 households
11. Denver: +10,074 households
12. San Jose: +10,027 households
13. Dallas: +9702 households
14. Boston: +9244 households
15. Atlanta: +9105 households

Others:
19. DC: +6776 households
26. Minneapolis: +5155 households
29. Miami: +4104 households
30. Milwaukee: +4101 households
31. Charlotte: +3680 households
35. Baltimore: +2743 households
36. San Francisco: +2615 households
46. Detroit: +851 households
49. Indianapolis: +437 households


Change in $200K+ Households 2017 to 2018
1. NYC: +35,376 households
2. Chicago: +17,542 households
3. Los Angeles: +11,540 households
4. San Jose: +11,239 households
5. San Francisco: +11,210 households
6. Seattle; +10,891 households
7. Austin: +10,375 households
8. Portland: +5920 households
9. DC: +5915 households
10. Dallas: +5869 households
11. Boston: +5819 households
12. Raleigh: +5426 households
13. Jacksonville: +4705 households
14. Tampa: +3481 households
15. Philadelphia: +3400 households

Others:
16. Charlotte: +3375 households
17. Atlanta: +3318 households
20. Denver: +3017 households
22. Phoenix: +2822 households
23. Houston: +2327 households
25. Baltimore: +2213 households
31. San Diego: +1567 households
33. San Antonio: +1419 households
35. Miami: +1292 households
40. Detroit: +843 households
43. Minneapolis: +617 households
47. Milwaukee: -147 households
51. Indianapolis: -2259 households

[Vlajos]

Wow, those are some big increases. I imagine the education levels of people is skyrocketing too.

[F1 Tommy]

That explains alot. Chicago has a large high end collector market and with the lower cost of living and disposable income a lot of rare collectibles are coming here. Something you don't hear to much about unless you follow the industry. One example super high end classis cars. The highest price paid for a car(Ferrari 1962 GTO) was from a collector near Chicago last year.

Originally Posted by marothisu

Chicago city (haven't checked MSA yet) doing awesome with increase of $100K+ households, especially $200K+ households.

Change in $100K+ Households 2017 to 2018
1. NYC: +60,844 households
2. Chicago: +28,073 households
3. Los Angeles: +23,310 households
4. Austin: +17,680 households
5. Seattle: +16,861 households
6. Portland: +16,011 households
7. Philadelphia: 14,498 households
8. San Diego: +12,401 households
9. Houston: +11,869 households
10. Phoenix: +11,492 households
11. Denver: +10,074 households
12. San Jose: +10,027 households
13. Dallas: +9702 households
14. Boston: +9244 households
15. Atlanta: +9105 households

Others:
19. DC: +6776 households
26. Minneapolis: +5155 households
29. Miami: +4104 households
30. Milwaukee: +4101 households
31. Charlotte: +3680 households
35. Baltimore: +2743 households
36. San Francisco: +2615 households
46. Detroit: +851 households
49. Indianapolis: +437 households


Change in $200K+ Households 2017 to 2018
1. NYC: +35,376 households
2. Chicago: +17,542 households
3. Los Angeles: +11,540 households
4. San Jose: +11,239 households
5. San Francisco: +11,210 households
6. Seattle; +10,891 households
7. Austin: +10,375 households
8. Portland: +5920 households
9. DC: +5915 households
10. Dallas: +5869 households
11. Boston: +5819 households
12. Raleigh: +5426 households
13. Jacksonville: +4705 households
14. Tampa: +3481 households
15. Philadelphia: +3400 households

Others:
16. Charlotte: +3375 households
17. Atlanta: +3318 households
20. Denver: +3017 households
22. Phoenix: +2822 households
23. Houston: +2327 households
25. Baltimore: +2213 households
31. San Diego: +1567 households
33. San Antonio: +1419 households
35. Miami: +1292 households
40. Detroit: +843 households
43. Minneapolis: +617 households
47. Milwaukee: -147 households
51. Indianapolis: -2259 households

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by F1 Tommy

That explains alot. Chicago has a large high end collector market and with the lower cost of living and disposable income a lot of rare collectibles are coming here. Something you don't hear to much about unless you follow the industry. One example super high end classis cars. The highest price paid for a car(Ferrari 1962 GTO) was from a collector near Chicago last year.

How large are you talking about? I don't think that explains the entire picture. The industries that are increasing a bit in Chicago on average pay 6 figures. Remember this is a net number. Even if you had 5000 high end collectors come to Chicago, it wouldn't explain an increase of nearly 30,000 6+ figure earning households net.

[the urban politician]

Wow, in the gain of higher income households Chicago is WAY outpacing its peers. NYC for sure given the difference in city sizes, and absolutely destroying LA.

Ultimately, though, I suspect what we already know--that this is an intra-metro movement of wealth towards the core. If we looked at MSA numbers I'm guessing that Chicago would be more par for the course.

[the urban politician]

I've gotta also say, check out Milwaukee's growth of $100k+ households. Almost at Minneapolis' level and beating Detroit. It's gotta be #3 in the Midwest. Milwaukee just impresses and surprises in so many unique ways...

[F1 Tommy]

Originally Posted by marothisu

How large are you talking about? I don't think that explains the entire picture. The industries that are increasing a bit in Chicago on average pay 6 figures. Remember this is a net number. Even if you had 5000 high end collectors come to Chicago, it wouldn't explain an increase of nearly 30,000 6+ figure earning households net.

Not sure you understood me, I am talking about people able to buy high end collectibles and using their extra income to buy them, not the industry.

By the way, I love your statistics. Very interesting posts.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

Wow, in the gain of higher income households Chicago is WAY outpacing its peers. NYC for sure given the difference in city sizes, and absolutely destroying LA.

Ultimately, though, I suspect what we already know--that this is an intra-metro movement of wealth towards the core. If we looked at MSA numbers I'm guessing that Chicago would be more par for the course.

I wouldn't say Chicago is kicking the others' asses in that regard, but it's still ahead percentage wise of both LA and NYC MSAs and the increase of $100K+ is less than 1000 households more in the LA MSA than the Chicago MSA.

$100K+ households
1. NYC MSA: +156,812 households (+5.63%)
2. Los Angeles MSA: +86,126 households (+5.73%)
3. Chicago MSA: +85,294 households (+7.39%)

$200K+ households
1. NYC MSA: +90,338 households (+9.49%)
2. Los Angeles MSA: +50,163 households (+11.24%)
3. Chicago MSA: +45,989 households (+14.92%)


If you remove the main cities from those 3 MSAs (aka purely suburbs), then for $100K+ it's like this:
1. NYC MSA without NYC: +95,968 households
2. Los Angeles MSA without LA: +62,816 households
3. Chicago MSA without Chicago: +57,221 households

[the urban politician]

^ Thanks for that. I would assume that the MSA is losing <$100k households, then?

[Vlajos]

Sorry, misread that one.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

^ Thanks for that. I would assume that the MSA is losing <$100k households, then?

Actually the city gained 2118 households of under $100K from 2017 to 2018. The MSA reduced 35,505 households under $100K in that same time though.

In the city and MSA both, there was a reduction of under $20K households, but a gain in $20K - $35K households. Also in the city and MSA both, there was an increase of $60K - $75K households with a loss of $75K - $100K households in both.