Quebec, the French Language, and Quebecois Identity

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by lio45

Stop signs are unilingual “STOP” in Granby even as of right now, if that counts as safety signage …

In Europe, all stop signs say STOP. Meanwhile, in Dieppe NB, all stop signs say ARRET on top and STOP on the bottom.

A political statement perhaps???

[lio45]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

And, conversely, you wouldn't see any English only safety signage anywhere in Quebec.

Of course that's OK in la Peninsule, but would be a capital offense in la Belle Province.

It’s entirely up to NB. If they feel English is under threat of extinction and needs an infusion of public money to prop it up, then they can choose to do just that

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by lio45

Stop signs are unilingual “STOP” in Granby even as of right now, if that counts as safety signage …

"Stop" is a French word.

https://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/stop

ARRÊT is a weird Quebecism.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by acottawa

"Stop" is a French word.

https://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/stop

ARRÊT is a weird Quebecism.

The word "arrêt" itself most definitely is not a Québécisme, though putting it on a stop sign might be.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Acajack

The word "arrêt" itself most definitely is not a Québécisme, though putting it on a stop sign might be.

Point taken.

[lio45]

For obvious reasons, Quebec will often go further than France itself when it comes to francisation of various terms and concepts. (France has the luxury of being able to afford to let itself get somewhat contaminated by the global lingua franca without it immediately becoming an existential threat.)

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

And, conversely, you wouldn't see any English only safety signage anywhere in Quebec.

Of course that's OK in la Peninsule, but would be a capital offense in la Belle Province.

Oh, there are definitely workplaces in Quebec where safety and other signage is in English.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Oh, there are definitely workplaces in Quebec where safety and other signage is in English.

Anglais seulement????

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Anglais seulement????

Oui, monsieur.

[Luisito]

I have seen plenty of English "stop" signs on the island of Montreal in places like TMR, Hampstead and Montreal West, etc . Not hard to find at all. Atleast that used to be the case, not sure if that has changed in recent years.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Luisito

I have seen plenty of English "stop" signs on the island of Montreal in places like TMR, Hampstead and Montreal West, etc . Not hard to find at all. Atleast that used to be the case, not sure if that has changed in recent years.

Still the case. If anything the number of STOP signs has been on the increase.

A lot of municipalities with large anglo populations have been using the technicality that "stop" is in fact a French word, to replace their ARRÊT signs with STOP signs.

Like here:

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5166...7i16384!8i8192

[harls]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Still the case. If anything the number of STOP signs has been on the increase.

A lot of municipalities with large anglo populations have been using the technicality that "stop" is in fact a French word, to replace their ARRÊT signs with STOP signs.

Like here:

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5166...7i16384!8i8192

Ahh Mount-Royal. I remember when they went on a blitz to remove the "rd" off all the Chemin street signs when they re-amalgamated with Montreal.

[harls]

Also this:

https://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...of-mount-royal

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by harls

Also this:

https://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...of-mount-royal

Yeah, I saw that too.

In 2022. Not 1992.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

It exists in the government, and for some companies to look "woke", it is.

Francophones are not an identified employment equity group for either the Canadian or Ontario governments. This is a fact.

Perhaps there are private companies out there where they are. I've never heard of any, though.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Francophones are not an identified employment equity group for either the Canadian or Ontario governments. This is a fact.

Perhaps there are private companies out there where they are. I've never heard of any, though.

Probably cus you are not an anglo.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Probably cus you are not an anglo.

Weird answer. Don't see how that's relevant.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Francophones are not an identified employment equity group for either the Canadian or Ontario governments. This is a fact.

Perhaps there are private companies out there where they are. I've never heard of any, though.

There is no need as francophone are over-represented. There is some very quiet affirmative action that takes place, but that is a different matter.

[dleung]

^^Pretty much. Functionally, both official bilingualism and multiculturalism are characterized by affirmative action

Originally Posted by Acajack

It doesn't say "gender" but it does say "sex" so I guess you're right.

Very very important distinction for someone who has a lot to say about trans stuff but always mixes up the meaning of these words for maximum anti-woke incredulity

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

There is no need as francophone are over-represented. There is some very quiet affirmative action that takes place, but that is a different matter.

Not so in upper management positions.