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Old Posted Apr 6, 2021, 1:33 AM
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Mr. Foster, after very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new skyscraper sucks.
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Old Posted Apr 6, 2021, 2:30 AM
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New refined rendering revealed!
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Old Posted Apr 6, 2021, 1:33 PM
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We should be so lucky. That actually looks better (massing) than the actual renders.
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Old Posted Apr 6, 2021, 3:43 PM
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I dont get it... Foster is a sensible guy, he can't possibly not realize how ugly this thing is
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Old Posted Apr 6, 2021, 6:03 PM
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its funny because PENNIS
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Old Posted Apr 6, 2021, 7:20 PM
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Foster may not have gotten 2WTC but he's going to have designed half the supertalls in Midtown.
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Old Posted Apr 6, 2021, 10:56 PM
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Seems like the vicinity of the iconic Empire State Building deserves better than this and the others planned. I hope they can re-skin 1 Penn as well.
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Old Posted Apr 6, 2021, 11:52 PM
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Don't know how they've managed to get this confused, it's not as if this is a new proposal. It's been around for a decade, and isn't located on the Penn Station expansion site. And it was the city, not the state, who approved this tower. But, we're surrounded by idiots on this planet, so what can you do. Nobody reads, or does any type of follow up.


https://nypost.com/2021/04/06/penn-1...-state-budget/

‘PENN 15’ skyscraper funding goes flaccid in state budget deal




By Bernadette Hogan and David Meyer
April 6, 2021


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They just can’t get it up.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s bid to erect 10 new skyscrapers around Penn Station — including one with the eyebrow-raising name of “PENN 15” — may have shriveled under the state budget deal reached by the governor and legislative leaders on Tuesday.

Language in the budget bill set for approval Tuesday authorizes a $1.3 billion loan to fund Cuomo’s “Empire State Complex” revamp of the railway hub — but explicitly restricts use of the money to transportation.

Instead of being spent on land for new office towers, the money “shall only be used in furtherance of [expanding Penn Station] or other transportation improvement projects and not for above-grade development,” according to the bill.
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At 1,216 feet, PENN 15, located at 15 Penn Plaza, would be the development’s centerpiece. The project would be led by Vornado Realty Trust, which is owned by Cuomo donor Steven Roth.

But state funding for now will be limited to the effort to remodel and expand track capacity Penn Station — satisfying state legislators opposed to Cuomo’s above-ground vision.

State officials have said they plan to move through the project without a “ULURP,” or Uniform Land Use Review Procedure — a standardized process for public review of projects in the city.

“I am extremely concerned about a project of this magnitude — larger than even Hudson Yards — somehow being approved without local consultation and planning,” state Sen. Brad Hoylman told The Post.

Hoylman called Cuomo’s plan “another giveaway to developers.”

“With a vacancy rate at over 17 percent in Midtown we need to think about creating jobs, not employee office space,” he said.



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...r-andrew-cuomo

New York plans to erect Empire State Building-sized Penn 15 skyscraper
Plans hang on New York budget negotiations as Cuomo accused of attempting to railroad the state into allowing the development



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Eyebrows have been raised over a proposal for a huge skyscraper in New York City, called Penn 15 and comparable in size to the Empire State Building.

Andrew Cuomo, New York’s governor, hopes to erect Penn 15 as part of a plan to redevelop midtown Manhattan and improve the city’s transport.

The 1,200ft building would include 27 landscaped terraces, according to the developer, Vornado Realty Trust, and 57 floors of office space.

Vornado describe Penn 15 as a “super-tall tower that will become the new standard for office design”, featuring “a unique side core design to allow for flexible office configurations and terraces on every fourth floor to maximize access to light and air”.

Plans for Penn 15 hang on New York budget negotiations. Cuomo has been accused of attempting to railroad the state into allowing the development.

“This is a land grab from Andrew Cuomo, plain and simple,” Bill Neidhardt, press secretary for the New York City mayor, Bill de Blasio, said in a tweet. “The whole scheme relies on overriding city rules and Cuomo has refused to answer how he will finance this endeavor.”
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Old Posted Apr 7, 2021, 12:43 AM
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That Guardian article is shockingly bad. Just as a piece of journalism.
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That Guardian article is shockingly bad. Just as a piece of journalism.
I mean, is it possible that a simple branding change (15 Penn to Penn 15) could be throwing them off? I don't get it. And the point of the story was about funding for the expansion sites. But Vornado already owns its sites. It's not even that hard to figure it out if you're too lazy to read.
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2021, 12:37 AM
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Ha, since 432 Park avenue was inspired by a trashcan it is continuing a trend at least.
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2021, 5:30 PM
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The ignorance levels are way off the charts...



https://mobile.twitter.com/1g03f45t3...97603743846402

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They really want to build a new skyscraper in the City and call it "PENN15," huh? That's really the name they're going with then... Did no one involved in the naming go to middle school?


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This whole PENN15 thing has to be a joke, right? Like some intern in a developer's office mentioned it as a goof and then it just got away from him?
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Old Posted Apr 9, 2021, 8:59 PM
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Old Posted Apr 9, 2021, 9:13 PM
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at 0:11 it says "Andrew Cuomo, New York's governor, hopes to erect Penn 15"

lol that feels intentional
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Old Posted Apr 10, 2021, 12:45 AM
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^ They can’t help themselves...



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-stock-spinoff

NYC’s Hotel Penn to Be Razed as Vornado Plans Stock Spinoff

By Natalie Wong
April 9, 2021


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Vornado Realty Trust plans to create a tracking stock centered on its development projects around Manhattan’s Pennsylvania Station, which will include a new tower the company intends to build in place of the Hotel Pennsylvania.

The real estate investment trust will “permanently close and raze the hotel to create the premier development site in town,” Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Steven Roth said in his annual letter to shareholders Friday. “This decision was inevitable. The Pennsylvania may have been a grande dame in its time, but it is decades past its glory and sell-by date.”

The news comes a year after Vornado shut down the hotel in response to the pandemic. The Manhattan-based landlord is also planning to separate its developments around Penn Station through a new tracking stock. The move would give investors the ability to choose between the “higher growth but longer-term” Penn District properties or the company’s traditional core assets, Roth said.
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Old Posted Apr 10, 2021, 1:09 PM
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Exciting news. I just hope the design changes.
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Old Posted Apr 10, 2021, 7:21 PM
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I think this sucks. This could sit as a parking lot for years.
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Old Posted Apr 10, 2021, 7:46 PM
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I’d rather it sit as a parking lot for a while if it means the NIMBYs no longer have “save the Hotel Pennsylvania” as a rallying cry. Can’t preserve what’s no longer there. And honestly, this is probably the only part of Manhattan where a surface parking lot isn’t going to damage the streetscape, because there isn’t any streetscape to begin with.
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Old Posted Apr 10, 2021, 9:11 PM
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There is plenty presently going on and there WILL be tons of developments happening in the future. We can wait. When the time is right. Good things come in time, so in the meantime, no need to be bummed out.
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