HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Global Projects & Construction > Proposals


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #61  
Old Posted Aug 22, 2019, 6:13 PM
Londonee Londonee is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Fitler Square (via London)
Posts: 1,674
Quote:
Originally Posted by SEFTA View Post
I remember a proposal that actually covered the rails at 30th street but this is good
Does this building not come to the corner of 30th/JFK? Your massings seem to have it almost mid-block?

I agree with the posters who worry about a bit of a deadzone effect here with all of these public spaces but a dearth of street facing retail.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #62  
Old Posted Aug 22, 2019, 6:17 PM
mcgrath618's Avatar
mcgrath618 mcgrath618 is online now
Exhausted Drexel Student
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: University City, Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 1,590
Quote:
Originally Posted by Londonee View Post
Does this building not come to the corner of 30th/JFK? Your massings seem to have it almost mid-block?

I agree with the posters who worry about a bit of a deadzone effect here with all of these public spaces but a dearth of street facing retail.
You needn’t worry. As per the article, there will be plenty of ground floor front-facing retail.

The lot over the tracks is owned by Amtrak and is the future site of Cira II.
__________________
Philadelphia Transportation Thread: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=164129
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #63  
Old Posted Aug 22, 2019, 7:56 PM
City Wide City Wide is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 1,277
Quote:
Originally Posted by Londonee View Post
Does this building not come to the corner of 30th/JFK? Your massings seem to have it almost mid-block?

I agree with the posters who worry about a bit of a deadzone effect here with all of these public spaces but a dearth of street facing retail.
The corner you're talking about is actual air space over tracks. Amtrak last year put out a request for development then later they changed that to a request for someone to think about what might be able to be built in that spot. And I think that was the last anything was said. One way of looking at it is that lot falls with the border of the 30th St. Station proposed development (proposed is being very generous since there are new proposals every 10-15 years) and not part of Schuylkill Yards. But having said that I'm alittle surprised that Brandywine didn't try to include that lot into this project (maybe they did, who knows!) because doing so, even if it were just a 3 or 4 story extension of the tower, would have made for a much more logical use of the space and better framed the new park and the Station. Logic and having to deal with bottom line facts don't always go hand in hand.

This building is surprising good on paper, and I hope that it doesn't get changed too much in the detailing of it. It does seem odd to me that the architect of record is passing off the actual 'get it built' design work to another frim------I hope that this second firm has fully bought in on the design as its been presented to date.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #64  
Old Posted Aug 22, 2019, 10:09 PM
volguus zildrohar's Avatar
volguus zildrohar volguus zildrohar is offline
Flat Top Is My Enemy
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: The City Of Philadelphia
Posts: 15,962
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgrath618 View Post
Some awesome skyline shots courtesy of Brandywine Reality Trust:

Caneris and Towers won't be able to boast about Center City views after these are done.
__________________
je suis phillytrax sur FLICKR, y'all
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #65  
Old Posted Aug 22, 2019, 10:32 PM
mcgrath618's Avatar
mcgrath618 mcgrath618 is online now
Exhausted Drexel Student
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: University City, Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 1,590
Quote:
Originally Posted by volguus zildrohar View Post
Caneris and Towers won't be able to boast about Center City views after these are done.
Not that I got that anyways. I was on the West Philly side of Towers
__________________
Philadelphia Transportation Thread: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=164129
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #66  
Old Posted Aug 22, 2019, 10:36 PM
mcgrath618's Avatar
mcgrath618 mcgrath618 is online now
Exhausted Drexel Student
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: University City, Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 1,590
Forgive me if I’m wrong, but do I spot a little viewing platform for the trains at 30th in this plan?

Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgrath618 View Post

__________________
Philadelphia Transportation Thread: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=164129
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #67  
Old Posted Aug 22, 2019, 10:50 PM
volguus zildrohar's Avatar
volguus zildrohar volguus zildrohar is offline
Flat Top Is My Enemy
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: The City Of Philadelphia
Posts: 15,962
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgrath618 View Post
Forgive me if I’m wrong, but do I spot a little viewing platform for the trains at 30th in this plan?
Potentially.

It wouldn't be a bad idea for some type of connector to be built to 30th Street. Be it a more expansive version of the connector to Cira Centre or something off of the underground concourse proposed to connect the building to the MFL/SST station. The project seems to abut the RR platforms but at the disused western end.
__________________
je suis phillytrax sur FLICKR, y'all
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #68  
Old Posted Aug 22, 2019, 10:51 PM
SEFTA's Avatar
SEFTA SEFTA is offline
PhillyPholly
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 540
Quote:
Originally Posted by Londonee View Post
Does this building not come to the corner of 30th/JFK? Your massings seem to have it almost mid-block?

I agree with the posters who worry about a bit of a deadzone effect here with all of these public spaces but a dearth of street facing retail.
My guess is no

3003 JFK Blvd 4 by
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #69  
Old Posted Aug 23, 2019, 5:05 AM
Human Scale's Avatar
Human Scale Human Scale is offline
More of that.
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 398
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgrath618 View Post


Wawa’s location scouts:


Reply With Quote
     
     
  #70  
Old Posted Aug 23, 2019, 11:34 AM
jsbrook jsbrook is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Bala Cynwyd
Posts: 3,514
I wish the little area next to Big Red, directly across JFK from the Bulletin Building Park, was getting paved over. Eventually...in the 30th Street District plan, is that plot a park or another tower?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #71  
Old Posted Aug 23, 2019, 11:38 AM
mcgrath618's Avatar
mcgrath618 mcgrath618 is online now
Exhausted Drexel Student
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: University City, Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 1,590
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsbrook View Post
I wish the little area next to Big Red, directly across JFK from the Bulletin Building Park, was getting paved over. Eventually...in the 30th Street District plan, is that plot a park or another tower?
For the third time, the plot is owned by Amtrak and is the future site of Cira II.
__________________
Philadelphia Transportation Thread: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=164129
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #72  
Old Posted Aug 23, 2019, 11:52 AM
jsbrook jsbrook is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Bala Cynwyd
Posts: 3,514
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgrath618 View Post
For the third time, the plot is owned by Amtrak and is the future site of Cira II.
Ha. Good. Sorry. I've been busy. I haven't read all the different threads in full...
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #73  
Old Posted Aug 23, 2019, 1:10 PM
Urbanthusiat's Avatar
Urbanthusiat Urbanthusiat is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: South Philly
Posts: 1,019
I love the arches in both buildings - reminds me of Reading Terminal a bit and the old Snellenburg building at Market East. RE the retail - I'm glad that they're including it but I'm somewhat concerned about its viability at this spot right now. Very few people walk up JFK like that as it doesn't really go anywhere. It'll be facing a (blank?) side of the new Sparks building, which will draw much of the attention. With the Amtrak parcel in the way and facing Drexel Square, I'm afraid the retail won't be very visible. I do love the concept they have under the highline though, so maybe that will draw people in. All in all I see this as a huge win for Brandywine and Schuylkill Yards.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #74  
Old Posted Aug 23, 2019, 1:19 PM
blorkishdork blorkishdork is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Passyunk Square
Posts: 363
I imagine the retail that goes into these new locations will be to serve the office workers of the nearby buildings. So I would imagine that these retail areas won't be too badly affected. Even if they won't get filled right-away, more offices and apartments will come to help create the demand. One thing this area needs and I am not sure if it is apart of the project scope, is to extend JFK to 32nd street (north of the university crossings? building). that would allow pedestrians to more easily access the retail and the train station from Ucity Square.

*Edit: Looks like it is part of the plan to extend JFK to 32nd so that would help out the connectivity of the area greatly.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #75  
Old Posted Aug 23, 2019, 3:22 PM
SEFTA's Avatar
SEFTA SEFTA is offline
PhillyPholly
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 540
This looks great!
Think of what this looked like 10 years ago

Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgrath618 View Post
Some awesome skyline shots courtesy of Brandywine Reality Trust:
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #76  
Old Posted Aug 23, 2019, 3:30 PM
SEFTA's Avatar
SEFTA SEFTA is offline
PhillyPholly
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 540
Something that really intrigues me is the grand staircase rising from the East Plaza at SE corner of the development. Where are these stairs leading to? There are escalators. They must be anticipating this as being very busy.
Very exciting!

Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgrath618 View Post
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #77  
Old Posted Aug 23, 2019, 6:10 PM
dreadnought dreadnought is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Posts: 14
New poster here. I commented in the other thread that the color of 3001 was the least of its problem. It's too boxy, top-heavy, and overbearing. It could be much more graceful.
But as I look at both buildings, I think there is also an opportunity missed here. They could join both buildings above the railroad tracks and make the two sites more cohesive. That would make the tracks less of a border, and more of just a feature of the site.
Just a thought.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #78  
Old Posted Aug 23, 2019, 6:28 PM
SEFTA's Avatar
SEFTA SEFTA is offline
PhillyPholly
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 540
I think that if they had combined the site above the rails it would have been much more beneficial for the immediate area. This lot is the linchpin between Schuylkill Yards and 30th Street District. It leaves those rails exposed and a small, less desirable lot.
I like the red. I especially like the idea of terracotta as a material. I find the boxiness as a current trend. Standing adjacent to it, the top heavyness seems almost a response to Cira's shape.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #79  
Old Posted Aug 23, 2019, 6:47 PM
mcgrath618's Avatar
mcgrath618 mcgrath618 is online now
Exhausted Drexel Student
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: University City, Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 1,590
Quote:
Originally Posted by SEFTA View Post
I think that if they had combined the site above the rails it would have been much more beneficial for the immediate area. This lot is the linchpin between Schuylkill Yards and 30th Street District. It leaves those rails exposed and a small, less desirable lot.
I like the red. I especially like the idea of terracotta as a material. I find the boxiness as a current trend. Standing adjacent to it, the top heavyness seems almost a response to Cira's shape.
Dreadnaught meant joining the buildings over the high line, not the Cira II lot
__________________
Philadelphia Transportation Thread: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=164129
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #80  
Old Posted Aug 23, 2019, 7:01 PM
SEFTA's Avatar
SEFTA SEFTA is offline
PhillyPholly
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 540
aahh
I like the shared space between the buildings
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Global Projects & Construction > Proposals
Forum Jump


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 5:21 AM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.