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no, YIMBY is reporting what is on the permits. HFZ are being shady about this.
No, they are mis-reporting (though probably unintentionally), because those are initial NB permits, and do not reflect what is actually being built (which is pretty much the norm with major projects that use air rights).

And what are you referring to re. something "shady" going on by HFZ? Bizarre. This is a very public project, for years now, and air rights transfers are public record. The building specs have been public for at least 2-3 years.
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No, they are mis-reporting (though probably unintentionally), because those are initial NB permits, and do not reflect what is actually being built (which is pretty much the norm with major projects that use air rights).

And what are you referring to re. something "shady" going on by HFZ? Bizarre. This is a very public project, for years now, and air rights transfers are public record. The building specs have been public for at least 2-3 years.
another source, not sure where they got the name from, but they tend to be in the know: https://www.skyscrapercenter.com/bui...ta-tower/31204

It remains to be seen if there is any truth to the 600k sf figure. There were reports that the tower may be significantly larger, but only that. Reports. It was never confirmed. Developers inflate figures all of the time. Plans change all the time. HFZ already proved their sliminess by pulling down the Bancroft Building before confidently setting a plan for the redevelopment. They switched to office around 2 years go and the design does not appear to conform with the LPC guidelines that the air rights transfers were contingent upon.

https://newyorkyimby.com/2016/06/gil...th-street.html

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Developer HFZ Capital Group wants to build a 64-story, 796-foot-tall, mildly Jenga-esque mixed-use tower designed by architect at 8 West 30th Street. In order to do that, it needs air rights from neighboring properties including the landmarked Marble Collegiate Church at 1 West 29th Street and landmarked Gilsey House at 1200 Broadway.

HFZ is trying to get those rights via a 74-711 application, which means they are responsible for both making sure the new building’s base is harmonious with the landmarks and that the landmarks themselves are kept up.


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It remains to be seen if there is any truth to the 600k sf figure.
No. That is the official figure, and has never changed. I already posted the link.
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There were reports that the tower may be significantly larger, but only that. Reports. It was never confirmed. Developers inflate figures all of the time. Plans change all the time. HFZ already proved their sliminess by pulling down the Bancroft Building before confidently setting a plan for the redevelopment.
The above is 100% nonsense. For years now, HFZ has been very clear about their plans, and their (very public) air rights transfers. They didn't spend $150 million in air rights and go through a gauntlet of public review for the hell of it. They aren't marketing the project as-is for the hell of it.

Also, I have no idea what you're talking about re. Bancroft building or your wacky allegation that developers like to exaggerate the size of their buildings to further enrage NIMBYs and politicans, just because.
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Also, I have no idea what you're talking about re. Bancroft building or your wacky allegation that developers like to exaggerate the size of their buildings to further enrage NIMBYs and politicans, just because.
Thanks for putting words in my mouth.
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Thanks for putting words in my mouth.
Your exact words:

"Developers inflate figures all of the time."

Can you name even one such instance? Can you detail why it would be in the developer's interest to lie about the size of their plans by telling Community Boards, elected officials and regulatory authorities that a building would be twice the size of the building actually planned?

Not sure why you're now referencing their residential proposal. That was cancelled three years ago. Since then, it has always been the same BIG-designed office proposal.
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Right, but I still can't piece together where all of the air rights are coming from. Maybe I'm missing a link of information, but I don't recall them assembling an extra 250,000 sf. We know how they acquired the rights for the Residential scheme, but this one is obviously different. Even the locals don't seem to know what's going on.

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