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Old Posted Jul 17, 2019, 7:44 PM
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Looks like the city is opting to throw billions in tax revenue away by locating the casino far from where anyone will want to go. Genius.


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Here are the five sites Lori Lightfoot wants to study for the city casino

The city of Chicago today released a list of five sites it wants to get a close financial look at as the possible location for the city’s new casino—the first real indication of where Mayor Lori Lightfoot may be headed on the highly competitive and potentially controversial issue.

The five all are in outlying South and West Side neighborhoods and each has been previously considered for a prospective casino or other major development. None is in or near downtown, though one is relatively close to the McCormick Place convention complex, and four of the five sites are publicly owned.

On the list: the former Michael Reese Hospital complex at 31st Street and Cottage Grove Avenue, the former U.S. Steel parcel at 80th Street and the lake; property that now is a publicly owned Harborside golf course at 111th Street and the Bishop Ford Expressway; former industrial property on a 23-acre North Lawndale site at Roosevelt Road and Kostner Avenue, and 19 vacant acres owned by the Chicago Housing Authority at Pershing Road and State Street.

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https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg...dy-city-casino

I expected better, Lori.
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2019, 7:56 PM
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Looks like the city is opting to throw billions in tax revenue away by locating the casino far from where anyone will want to go. Genius.




https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg...dy-city-casino

I expected better, Lori.
"Let's bring the sin to the most vulnerable areas. Also people will love exiting with huge cash winnings into the clean and safe streets of North Lawndale!"


But seriously, would love for it to be North Lawndale, more money for me...
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Looks like the city is opting to throw billions in tax revenue away by locating the casino far from where anyone will want to go. Genius.




https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg...dy-city-casino

I expected better, Lori.
What a fuck up seriously. Is she that daft?

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Nonetheless, the list is consistent with Lightfoot’s stated position during her campaign that the facility would best be located not downtown or too close to the city’s convention center but in areas that are economically struggling and close enough to existing Indiana casinos to pull Illinoisans and their money back on this side of the border.
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Economically, the question is how well any of the South or West Side locations would do in drawing visitors to areas that now are either isolated or in some cases suffer from high crime rates. Some industry experts have argued that, just as a matter of money, tourists and other visitors are far more likely to visit a downtown location than one in a distant part of the city.
I still think the lakeside center is the best compromise.



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The best — and worst — places to put a Chicago casino

To help ensure that it helps, rather than hurts, the city, put it right downtown, not in an isolated spot.


By Ed Zotti Jul 12, 2019, 11:00am CDT



It’s not advice people want to hear. But understanding the thinking behind it might help Chicago avoid the fate of Atlantic City, New Jersey, and other failed gambling meccas.




The best place in Chicago to put a casino?

Michigan Avenue and Lake Street, which is a short distance from Millennium Park, the Riverwalk and the Randolph Street theater district.

The worst place? The former Michael Reese Hospital site on the Near South Side — or any other isolated, blank-slate location.

I base this on conversations with gaming and hospitality industry experts Andrew Klebanow and Steven Gallaway, an illuminating white paper they co-authored on “Casinos and the City” and observations of casino districts in other cities.

It’s not advice people want to hear. But understanding the thinking behind it might help Chicago avoid the fate of Atlantic City, New Jersey, and other failed gambling meccas.



With a few shortsighted decisions, driven by a need to maximize tax revenue, who’s to say the Loop couldn’t go south again?

Lesser sites

Fear of messing up the Loop, coupled with a distrust of gambling and the ill-founded belief that casinos spur economic development, might prompt city leaders to stick the casino in some out-of-the-way location in the South Loop or on the Near South Side.

In addition to the Michael Reese site, rebranded as the Burnham Lakefront, plausible candidates include the proposed One Central development near Soldier Field, the Lakeside Center at McCormick Place and The 78 project planned for the massive site at Roosevelt Road and Clark Street.

The developers of the Burnham Lakefront and The 78 voiced no enthusiasm for a casino when I broached the subject. Bob Dunn, who is lining up billions of dollars in public financing for One Central, has built sports venues elsewhere. For him, a casino seems like no great leap.

But I think any of these locations would be a mistake. A casino on the South Side almost certainly would be an island-type facility. The Michael Reese site, among other drawbacks, is separated from downtown by the Stevenson Expressway. The benefit to the surrounding area would be zero.

An island casino might retard redevelopment, suggesting the neighborhood is a dumping ground for uses nobody else wants.

A downtown location would require skillful planning and execution but have greater potential upside. It would check most of the boxes Klebanow and Gallaway cite as “critical success factors for the modern urban casino” — among them a pedestrian-friendly environment, proximity to an existing entertainment/dining district and good transit and highway access.

Why not Navy Pier?

A drawback of the Loop is the lack of a suitable site. Klebanow and Gallaway note that modern casinos require a large floor plate, which would be hard to come by.

So Klebanow is partial to Navy Pier, which is easy to imagine as a casino. It’s already a leading tourist attraction. And it offers lots to do besides gamble. For sheer entertainment value, it’d compare favorably with any Las Vegas venue.

Navy Pier also has disadvantages. Lake Shore Drive separates it from the rest of the city. There’s not much of a street scene in neighboring parts of Streeterville.

Navy Pier also lacks high-capacity transit access, which means traffic congestion — already a problem — would only get worse. A casino operator probably would want more parking




Big Jim might be a smart bet

So maybe the Loop is worth another look. I know of a dilapidated but architecturally significant Loop building that might make a good casino — perhaps a spectacular one. The structure, whose owner is looking to unload it, is in a busy pedestrian area near theaters, shops and transit. And it fills an entire block.

You’ve probably heard of it. It’s called the James R. Thompson Center.

Two conclusions:

•The best way to ensure that a casino helps, rather than hurts, its host city is to put it in the middle of a hot entertainment district — entertainment meaning amusements other than gambling.

•Casinos aren’t a neighborhood revitalization tool. If you put a casino in some down-and-out location hoping to spark a revival, you’re kidding yourself. Casinos don’t bring vitality to an urban area. If carelessly designed, they can suck vitality out.
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Chicago’s first casino still might end up downtown, says Lightfoot
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The five neighborhood sites shortlisted by the mayor do not represent the city’s definitive list

https://chicago.curbed.com/2019/7/19...ds-bronzeville

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Personally, I think a good location might be the Mercy Hospital parking lots.
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Maybe they could put the Block 37 mall out of its misery and convert it to a casino.


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Chicago’s first casino still might end up downtown, says Lightfoot
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The five neighborhood sites shortlisted by the mayor do not represent the city’s definitive list

https://chicago.curbed.com/2019/7/19...ds-bronzeville

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Personally, I think a good location might be the Mercy Hospital parking lots.
“I’m not saying that a downtown site is off the board,” said Lightfoot after a Thursday press conference about the current heatwave. “There are some concerns, I think, with a downtown site, and we wanted to avoid that in this first instance,” the mayor explained.

When pressed about specific issues, the mayor said that her office heard concerns that a downtown location could ultimately detract from tourism. Some tour operators and convention organizers fear that attendees would go to the casino instead of participating in the convention itself, Lightfoot added."


lol, what?

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Maybe they could put the Block 37 mall out of its misery and convert it to a casino.
or the underground superstation at least!
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I think it is letting me vote more than once from the same location, just using different zip codes.

I think I will do 50 more tonight.
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I think it is letting me vote more than once from the same location, just using different zip codes.

I think I will do 50 more tonight.
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I think it is letting me vote more than once from the same location, just using different zip codes.

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this thing is going to be a disaster, isn't it?
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I tried to tailor my feedback toward making sure the casino is appropriate for Chicago, and not Vegas or some random interstate exit in the suburbs. Good urban design, oriented toward walkability and transit, etc. The worst case scenario in my mind is Lumiere Place in St Louis or Sugarhouse in Philly... huge floorplates, blank walls, loading docks, and totally disrespectful of surrounding neighborhoods. Basically just another convention center. I know the casino business considers windowless rooms essential, but at the very least they should put the main floor up on Level 2 and let the ground floor be populated by restaurants, bars, and retail tenants like the Greektown Casino in Detroit.

Suggested the Motor Row and Sox Park lots locations as a good middle ground between "downtown" and "non-downtown".
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I tried to tailor my feedback toward making sure the casino is appropriate for Chicago, and not Vegas or some random interstate exit in the suburbs. Good urban design, oriented toward walkability and transit, etc.
We basically offered the exact same input. I hope they are listening.
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I tried to tailor my feedback toward making sure the casino is appropriate for Chicago, and not Vegas or some random interstate exit in the suburbs. Good urban design, oriented toward walkability and transit, etc. The worst case scenario in my mind is Lumiere Place in St Louis or Sugarhouse in Philly... huge floorplates, blank walls, loading docks, and totally disrespectful of surrounding neighborhoods. Basically just another convention center. I know the casino business considers windowless rooms essential, but at the very least they should put the main floor up on Level 2 and let the ground floor be populated by restaurants, bars, and retail tenants like the Greektown Casino in Detroit.

Suggested the Motor Row and Sox Park lots locations as a good middle ground between "downtown" and "non-downtown".
Huge floorplates are basically essential for a casino, unfortunately. That being said, I very much like the idea of having the casino on the 2nd floor and leaving the ground level for shops/restaurants/etc... Makes sense to me! As for location, oddly enough I kind of wish it would be at the 78 Site. Right on the edge of The Loop, easy transit and highway access (with the modifications in the works currently), very close to Chinatown, etc... I'd still take the Reese site as a good option, though.

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i say build a new pier on the south side and put the casino on thAT!
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Casinos are inherenly anti-urban and require blank walls, large floorplates, no windows or natural light, no clocks or obvious time-indicators, and no outside distractions. It would be best to put the casino as far from downtown as possible, with the primary objective recovering present losses from Indiana.
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