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Originally Posted by the urban politician
Nonsense. I feel like this forum is just an echo chamber for think-alikes People from these eastern countries that you keep frolicking over are still coming and will keep coming in droves to Western nations because of its values, one of which being relatively weak Government and a relatively robust private sector. Don’t any of you know any immigrants? These same values tend to be a shortcoming during worldwide pandemics, but there is no one-size-fits all when it comes to cultures and ways to run societies. Make no mistake, the flow of immigration is and will remain in one direction: Toward the west.
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Perhaps you are thinking of someone else, but I have been discussing the success of Australia and New Zealand relative to that of the UK, US and other European nations. These two countries have amongst the best rated democracies, strongest performing economies, and most successful magnets for migrants well before Covid-19, so I fail to see your point.
Australia and New Zealand didn’t even compromise their values; they merely treated this crisis with the seriousness that it needed and followed through with the actions that were required to suppress this situation from becoming a crisis.
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Originally Posted by the urban politician
The deaths of Covid among the young have been overblown. You are talking anecdotes. Everybody here keeps doing this, it’s just getting silly at this point. If you can’t differentiate anecdotes from statistics then there is nothing to discuss. The mortality rate of Covid for the young is exceedingly low, and low enough that living in fear is not rational behavior (unless you are trying to protect an elderly family member, which is a different story altogether). Just remember that 130 US children died during the 2019-2020 Flu season, and yeah I know you never heard about it because it wasn’t due to Covid. No we shouldn’t. Complete, utter, fear mongering. The only thing that I think would’ve made a difference early on is a complete quarantine of early infected cases. THAT, my friend, would work. verything else is just insanity propagating more insanity. Fear, irrationism, misinformation, and amateurs trying to set public policy. And the damage has been done. Friggin millions out of jobs
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Again, are you confusing me for someone else? Where did I say that the mortality rate for the young wasn’t low? You even quote me saying the opposite!
I suspect the difference between you, and I is that we presumably have divergent perspectives on the value of human life, but in your example, 130 deaths of children from flu are 130 too many, as are x number of deaths from car accidents, y number of deaths from gun crime, etc… Why should any death irrelevant of whether the cause be domestic violence, terrorist attack, or virus be tolerated?
We don’t need to run around like headless chickens, but the emergence of new variants which could have higher rates of transmission and/or lethality is most certainly a present and ever evolving threat. We’re not talking rocket science here – the virus needs people to spread, the more opportunities we give the virus to adapt, the more time it has to develop new mutations. If the UK authorities and society had taken this crisis with the seriousness it required, it is doubtful that the “Kent” variant would have emerged, a variant which has been demonstrated to have 70% higher rates of transmission, 30% higher rates of hospitalisation and deaths and significant antigenic escape from naturally acquired immunity. It is pretty much inevitable that worse variants will emerge the longer we fail to get on top of this crisis, so no it is not fear mongering, it is an evidence-based critique of the situation we find ourselves in.
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