Diversity in Canadian cities

[Docere]

The favored quarter runs from roughly Bloor to Highway 401 and centered along Yonge. The Jewish corridor along Bathurst lies to the west of this zone and overlaps with it (i.e. Forest Hill), and later gives way to Orthodox and immigrant Jewish neighborhoods. Avenue Rd. is traditionally the boundary between "WASP" and "Jewish." On the northeast edge of the favored quarter is Bayview-York Mills area, which is postwar and more "new money." It used to be quite Jewish (though less than Bathurst), but the Jewish population has declined in the last 20 years and is now much more Chinese.

[jmecklenborg]

Originally Posted by Rico Rommheim

What is 'diversity' anyways?

Why aren't the western elitists lamenting the lack of "diversity" in Japan, etc.?

[Antares41]

Originally Posted by Rico Rommheim

What is 'diversity' anyways? Is it only racial? Let's say you've got a city that's 100% white, but is evenly distributed between dozens of different "white" languages, "white" ethnicities and "white" cultures (like the Balkans, say), does that qualify as diverse?

And also, what is a "latino", is it exclusively a non-black skinned person from central and south america? Half of Brazilians are white, so are they white or are they Latino? Are black people from central and south America black AND latino? Or are they only one? And if so, who decides?

What is diversity? It depends on the level granularity that matter. Race is the most obvious because we are so visual adapt at categorizing based on what we see (color, physical features etc.). However, diversity can encompass cultures/ethnicities, religions, etc. if necessary. In the case of institutions and government agencies the level of diversity "needed" is based on the type of people/segment of society they wish to assist/server. Is it nebulous, yes, but, it can be brought into focus if it is associated with an objective.

[jmecklenborg]

Originally Posted by Rico Rommheim

Let's say you've got a city that's 100% white, but is evenly distributed between dozens of different "white" languages, "white" ethnicities and "white" cultures (like the Balkans, say), does that qualify as diverse?

No, because white people are lame:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD3Rn-K2wOI

[Nite]

You should probably add the indigenous population to these city charts, ie Visible minorities + indigenous Canadians) since indigenous Canadian are not counted as visible minorities. Especially if you continue to add more cities like Winnipeg, regina, etc...

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by Crawford

Indians in the U.S. generally have very high incomes and ed levels. No doubt they could be demonized, but it will be a tougher climb. It's hard to make caricatures of Indians as lazy criminal moochers when your Indian neighbors own a successful startup, the kids are polite and academic-oriented, and family plans to build a mini-mansion down the street.

Re. Canadian and U.S. South Asians, the biggest (completely anecdotal) difference I notice is all the Sikh truckers in Canada. I don't ever recall seeing that in the U.S. Stuck on the 401, or Gardiner, half the trucks seem to be driven by Sikhs. A lot of the trucking companies have obvious South Asian names, too.

Heh you haven't spent much time in Canada. Overly successful minorities are demonized as "money launderers", "cheating the system", and "not understanding of Canadian norms".

[memph]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Heh you haven't spent much time in Canada. Overly successful minorities are demonized as "money launderers", "cheating the system", and "not understanding of Canadian norms".

Eh, it's mainly the people bringing foreign wealth into the country that are seen this way, especially considering the main source of foreign wealth is a deeply corrupt country. I haven't seen much signs of Canadians being bothered at successful immigrants who are making their careers locally as doctors, professors, engineers, etc...

[Docere]

Ottawa CMA

Population 1,464,500
Visible minorities 386,925 26.5%

Black 114,230 7.8%
Arab 69,210 4.7%
South Asian 60,780 4.2%
Chinese 50,030 3.4%
Latin American 20,620 1.4%
Southeast Asian 16,895 1.2%
Filipino 16,105 1.1%
West Asian 14,525 1%
Korean 4,680 0.3%
Japanese 2,750 0.2%

Winnipeg CMA

Population 819,715
Visible minorities 258,190 31.5%

Filipino 84,225 10.3%
South Asian 63,810 7.8%
Black 40,925 5%
Chinese 23,030 2.8%
Southeast Asian 10,475 1.3%
Latin American 9,155 1.1%
Korean 3,870 0.5%
Japanese 1,620 0.2%

Edmonton CMA

Population 1,397,750
Visible minorities 461,580 33%

South Asian 123,335 8.8%
Filipino 80,760 5.8%
Black 80,570 5.8%
Chinese 62,680 4.5%
Arab 31,965 2.3%
Latin American 21,960 1.6%
Southeast Asian 20,650 1.5%
Korean 8,585 0.6%
West Asian 7,995 0.6%
Japanese 2,880 0.2%

Calgary CMA

Population 1,465,175
Visible minorities 567,960 38.8%

South Asian 153,205 10.5%
Chinese 93,510 6.3%
Filipino 89,055 6.1%
Black 75,650 5.2%
Southeast Asian 34,395 2.3%
Arab 32,450 2.2%
Southeast Asian 28,395 1.9%
West Asian 15,725 1.1%
Korean 12,985 0.9%
Japanese 6,330 0.4%

[Docere]

Indigenous Population

Winnipeg CMA 102,075 12.5%
Edmonton CMA 87,605 6.3%
Vancouver CMA 63,345 2.4%
Calgary CMA 48,625 3.3%
Ottawa CMA 46,545 3.2%
Montreal CMA 46,085 1.1%
Toronto CMA 44,635 0.7%

[Nite]

Originally Posted by Docere

Indigenous Population

Winnipeg CMA 102,075 12.5%
Edmonton CMA 87,605 6.3%
Vancouver CMA 63,345 2.4%
Calgary CMA 48,625 3.3%
Ottawa CMA 46,545 3.2%
Montreal CMA 46,085 1.1%
Toronto CMA 44,635 0.7%

You should add these figures to the visible minority charts above for each city to understand the full context.

[Djesus777]

Originally Posted by Docere

City of Montreal

Population 1,723,230
Visible minorities 668,975 38.8%

Black 198,610 11.5%
Arab 141,935 8.2%
South Asian 79,670 4.6%
Latin American 78,150 4.5%
Chinese 56,935 3.3%
Southeast Asian 37,905 2.2%
Filipino 27,355 1.6%
West Asian 17,500 1%
Korean 5,245 0.3%
Japanese 2,645 0.1%


Montreal Island

Population 1,959,355
Visible minorities 737,510 37.6%

Black 208,805 10.7%
Arab 151,890 7.8%
South Asian 91,370 4.7%
Latin American 82,550 4.2%
Chinese 69,985 3.6%
Southeast Asian 40,535 2.1%
Filipino 33,365 1.7%
West Asian 22,800 1.2%
Korean 6,755 0.3%
Japanese 3,165 0.2%

Greater Montreal

Population 4,206,450
Visible minorities 1,143,825 27.2%

Black 340,135 8.1%
Arab 246,145 5.9%
Latin American 137,850 3.3%
South Asian 121,260 2.9%
Chinese 103,505 2.5%
Southeast Asian 61,255 1.5%
Filipino 40,315 1%
West Asian 39,470 0.9%
Korean 9,150 0.2%
Japanese 4,170 0.1%

Small things but the island of Montreal is 2,004,000 (Montréal, Territoire équivalent)

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-r...hText=montreal

[Rico Rommheim]

Island of Montreal at 2M? Wow, that's a first. The island was at 1,96 in the 1971 census RIGHT before the island's and city's decline started in earnest.

As far as I'm concerned the island = the city. So woot!

[Docere]

Yeah, Montreal Island was amalgamated in 2002 and a borough system set up, but in 2006 former municipalities were allowed to de-amalgamate. Most that did so were English-speaking suburbs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E...on_of_Montreal

[Wigs]

Docere, thanks for always finding/sharing stats. much appreciated.

[MonkeyRonin]

Originally Posted by Crawford

Probably similar in Canada. Don't think there are many South Asians in Toronto's favored quarter along Yonge, but there are a ton in outer areas, like Brampton. You'd probably never guess Toronto was close to 20% South Asian if you stuck to the core neighborhoods.

I think that's more a result of the South Asian population being a largely more recent one than any unique propensity for the suburbs.

East Asians for example are much more visible in central Toronto, but that's because they're a more established community with older immigrants and more multi-generational Canadians. But the suburban preferences of today's immigrants from China basically mirror those of the Indian ones; while by the second generation they all tend to revert to the Canadian norm (ie. young people moving into downtown high-rises, or to far-flung exurbs in search of affordable housing).

[Docere]

When I was growing up in the 1980s, the Chinese and Black Caribbean communities seemed to be the most visible minorities in Toronto (still about 80-85% white then). The Sikh community was located near the airport in Malton and beginning to move into Brampton. There was a Little India in the east end, but it never really had large numbers of South Asians.

[Docere]

Black population highest in Eastern Canada (Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa). But in Western Canada, it's interesting to note how small Vancouver's Black population is. In contrast, the Prairie cities have larger Black populations which have grown significantly in the last decade or two. Calgary and Edmonton each have twice as many Blacks as Vancouver, and Winnipeg's is basically identical in raw numbers.

[Docere]

Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin

I think that's more a result of the South Asian population being a largely more recent one than any unique propensity for the suburbs.

Sikhs, at least, never lived in the core. They pretty much started out near the airport.

[memph]

Originally Posted by Docere

When I was growing up in the 1980s, the Chinese and Black Caribbean communities seemed to be the most visible minorities in Toronto (still about 80-85% white then). The Sikh community was located near the airport in Malton and beginning to move into Brampton. There was a Little India in the east end, but it never really had large numbers of South Asians.

Well, Toronto had a Chinese population for longer than it had a South Asian one afaik. The Chinese initially settled in Chinatown (the Elizabeth one, then Spadina), but once the large waves of Chinese immigration began those settled pretty much straight away in Agincourt and the Pacific Mall area.

The Tamils afaik chose to make Malvern their community very quickly after beginning to arrive. I think the Sikhs might've started out in Rexdale first, but then spread into Malton very soon after, and then Brampton in the 90s-00s.

Jamaicans seem to have been more likely to live in public housing, so they wound up being a bit more scattered, just like the public housing itself is scattered across Scarborough, Rexdale, Jane-Finch, Regent Park, Lawrence Heights, etc. The ones living in single family homes also wound up fairly scattered, from Pickering/Ajax, to Brampton, Malton, Rexdale, Malvern, even places like Erin Mills and Meadowvale. Eglinton West nonetheless managed to become somewhat of a locus of the Afro-Caribbean community though.

[Docere]

Yes, Toronto had a small Chinese community at the turn of the century. Chinatown moved to the old Jewish area around Spadina-Kensington in the 1960s. The Chinese population around Spadina-Kensington probably peaked in the 1990s or early 2000s. Still sizeable but of diminished importance compared to Agincourt etc.