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Old Posted May 3, 2015, 1:20 PM
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For a little perspective, 432 Park is about 410,000 SF, assuming the church sale Extell would have 325,000+ SF, and the article mentions that Extell might have some left over air rights from One57.
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A 1,200 footer would look great here, adding some variety in height.
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I could see this happening. I'd expect much more of these types. Developers have been busy snatching up properties and creating large assemblages. Midtown West and North is where we need to keep our eyes and ears on.

On a side note, the storm is brewing regarding that church. Will probably be the center of NIMBY criticism.
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So much for that denial from Extell. As far as people being up in arms over another supertall, they should have moved by now.
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A 1,200 footer would look great here, adding some variety in height.
I agree, with the square footage it sounds like it could end up around there unless he gets extra rights and wants to build even higher.
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Great news, and hope we soon get the reveal for this potential supertall for the 57th Street corridor.

This tower would probably be one of the most valuable along that street. This site is very centered for perfect park views. I would be happy with 1,200 ft. but I'm greedy so I want more. Barnett can go as high as he wants with this site, so I would like to give 225 W. 57 or at least 111 W. 57 some competition.
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I knew Extell was doing this when I straight up asked GB about it and he said "absolutely not" right to my face. LOL. Hopefully it's not ugly.

I also believe he actually had some air rights leftover and One57 didn't use everything it could have, which could benefit this in terms in size (though that contribution will be relatively small). Still, Steinway is 250K SF and look what's happening there...!
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Get ready for some hysterical nonsense...



http://nypost.com/2015/05/03/save-ce...ter-buildings/

Save Central Park from the attack of the monster buildings!


By Nicole Gelinas
May 3, 2015


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New, super tall towers along West 57th Street and Central Park South are casting the park below 72nd Street into deeper shadow.

If you don’t like this, who do you blame?

Not greedy developers or evil foreign billionaires.

Instead, blame the mayor and your city councilperson — because they could have stopped this a year ago if they wanted to.


Everyone who walks through Midtown — or peers at it from the park — has noticed One57, the 1,004-foot apartment tower between Sixth and Seventh avenues (the one where the crane fell off), and 432 Park Ave., the 1,396-foot tower at Park and 56th (28 feet taller than the old World Trade Center’s north tower).

Six to 11 more are coming. Extell, the One57 developer, is building another, 1,479-foot tower a block away.

There’s nothing wrong with tall. The old World Trade Center towers defined our skyline. And change is good, too.

But there’s nothing wrong, either, with government responding to change.

That’s what’s been happening in our city for a century: Just as developers figure out how to build new things, the city makes sure they’re building those new things under some rational rules.

As the Municipal Art Society — which helped save Grand Central Terminal as well as the Tweed Courthouse last century — points out, New York got its first zoning code in 1916.

That was a year after the 38-story Equitable Building “rose straight up from the sidewalk, blocking sunlight to surrounding offices.”

The new code forced developers to build towers set back from the street so as not to block out (too much) light and air.

Today, the same thing is happening that always happens: Technology is outpacing regulations. Just as Airbnb can turn apartment buildings into hotels, developers can use modern design and engineering to build ever-tallertowers into the sky on tiny, tiny spaces.

This is not entirely good.

The new Extell tower will cast a three-quarters-of-a-mile shadow along Central Park on a winter day — just when New Yorkers stuck in the city most need a little sun.

And yes, yes, each individual shadow is small. But all of them together, as Clayton Smith of Community Board 5 said at a town-hall meeting last week, “will wall off Central Park South.”

And as the Municipal Art Society’s Anand Amin added, “The fundamental problem here is outdated zoning regulations,” allowing for new buildings to have “a dramatic impact on . . . ­Central Park.”

Calling a timeout and deciding what’s more important in this particular circumstance — private construction and building-maintenance jobs, or the protection of a public asset that future generations will use — is perfectly reasonable.

And it’s not that hard. As Amin noted, “The city could issue a temporary moratorium on building permits for super-tall towers” . . . today.

Yet city pols seem content to talk about the matter without doing anything.

The community board has been studying shadows for more than a year.
Manhattan Borough President Gale Brewer told the attendees that “we don’t want shadows on our park” — but didn’t say much beyond that.

City Councilmembers Dan Gar­od­nick, Corey Johnson and Mark Levine, who all represent the area, are all deeply concerned, too — they make sure to tell their constituents. But they haven’t done anything, either.

Levine wants the council to think about passing a bill creating . . . another task force.

And Mayor de Blasio has been quiet.

As Amin of the Municipal Art Society told the concerned citizenry, “In the 18 months” since the society’s initial shadow report came out, “there has been no city action in response, while more towers threaten to overwhelm our parks and public spaces . . . [T]he de Blasio administration needs to take action.”

By the time the council and the mayor do something, all the new towers will be up, or far along — or the luxury real-estate bubble will have burst, and developers won’t be building them, anyway.

You can consider for yourself whether that’s corruption — the pols are afraid of big real estate — or incompetence.

Whichever.

But the next time you hear a pol complaining about foreign billionaires shadowing Central Park, remember that talk is cheap, winter is coming — and the shadows will soon grow longer.


What an idiot.




http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...ns-god-willing


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...Members of Community Board 5, which represents midtown, oppose the way super-tall towers are being developed in the area around One57, which will soon count as its neighbors a 950-foot building being developed by Vornado and another Extell project, the 1,400-foot Nordstrom Tower.

But there is not much they can do. Mr. Barnett has been simply shifting around the total amount of square feet that is already allowed on the block, and not actually adding any density, meaning he could build another tower without public approvals.

Moving so-called air rights around a block has long served as a crucial way for owners of landmarks and other buildings not built to maximum density to generate revenue by selling their unused development potential. The Chrysler Building was constructed in this way, and the city has created special districts, such as West Chelsea, where these rights can be transferred across neighborhoods, and is even studying a way to make exchanges easier elsewhere in the city.
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“The city could issue a temporary moratorium on building permits for super-tall towers” . . . today.
Yes, let's turn NYC into a museum ...

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...Members of Community Board 5, which represents midtown, oppose the way super-tall towers are being developed in the area around One57,
Oh really? Wake up CB5, you represent f*cking Midtown ... MIDTOWN! Move to Nebraska if you don't like skyscrapers ...
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And yes, yes, each individual shadow is small. But all of them together, as Clayton Smith of Community Board 5 said at a town-hall meeting last week, “will wall off Central Park South.”
Does Clayton think there are crops of corn behind CPS? Has Clayton looked at the news lately?

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First Look: Plans For 123 West 57th Street, Calvary Baptist Church Redevelopment


Massing diagram for 123 West 57th Street

NIKOLAI FEDAK
MAY 19, 2015

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The current crop of supertalls at 111 and 217 West 57th Street aren’t yet above ground level, but Extell is already in talks for their next major development along New York’s newly-minted Billionaire’s Row, at 123 West 57th Street. YIMBY’s sources confirm that the firm has emerged as the finalist in talks for the site, comprising the Calvary Baptist Church and the Salisbury Hotel, and we have also procured massing diagrams produced by another developer that was formerly in contention for the building.

YIMBY’s source notes that Extell’s advantage comes from a small amount of unused air rights leftover from One57, perhaps indicating that Gary Barnett has planned another tower on the block for quite some time. While exact numbers are not known, the firm had several tens of thousands of square feet leftover, and on a site as limited as 123 West 57th Street, that can translate into significant additional revenue. Crain’s also reported that the firm owns additional adjacent lots earlier this month.

The same block was the first on 57th Street to host any sort of supertall, with One57 finally opening last year. 111 West 57th Street will soon become the tallest on the block, standing 1,421 feet to its roof, over 400 feet above One57. And one block to the west, 217 West 57th Street will be even taller, with a spire approaching the 1,800-foot mark.



Relatively limited air rights at 123 West 57th Street — even with Extell’s FAR leftovers — mean that any new tower is unlikely to achieve stratospheric heights. The massing diagrams obtained by YIMBY show a height of 59 floors and 761 feet, though it’s possible that re-configuring the envelope and allowing for additional air rights could boost the tower to the 1,000-foot level.

If Extell can amass over 300,000 square feet of air rights, the potential is there for something that alters the neighborhood skyline. 111 West 57th Street’s early plans could also be a good comparison, as that building initially started out at a size similar to the current massing diagrams, in plans created by CetraRuddy and revealed by YIMBY back in 2012.

The fate of the current building at 123 West 57th Street is unknown, but the plans obtained by YIMBY appear to call for its demolition, with a new church taking the place of the old in the base of the new tower, which would also feature a minor cantilever.

No architect has been publicly attached to the project as of yet, nor is any expected completion date available.
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Hopefully Extell can complete the agreement with this church and we could soon see another skinny supertall.

I'm not clear how much extra air rights are in play, but if we're already talking nearly 800 ft. as-of-right (per that diagram from the competing developer) then, including Extell's air rights, something very tall seems quite likely.
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One of the permits for One57 stated that Extell had just about 1.5msf to work with, but it only ended up being 850ksf. That's a decent chunk of air rights left over.

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http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01
Proposed Totals: 1,493,514 square feet
There should be 650ksf of airrights left over.
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Even an 800 footer would be good in that location.
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That's a fairly large assemblage they have for midtown. If my memory serves me correctly, the buildings currently on site are pretty mediocre. It will be nice to replace them with a Barnet creation.
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^ no way, that church building is really nice, very attractive. hopefully it can come up like the steinway tower will, with a demolition of the sainsbury hotel and retention of pre-war church, at least the street-fronting portion. it's like this defining building on that portion of w 57th.

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Even an 800 footer would be good in that location.
It would but I'm still pulling for 1000+ considering the huge amounts of air rights left over, if the market is still hot why wouldn't he use it?

I agree with hunser, 1150-1250 feet would be ideal here.
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^ no way, that church building is really nice, very attractive. hopefully it can come up like the steinway tower will, with a demolition of the sainsbury hotel and retention of pre-war church, at least the street-fronting portion. it's like this defining building on that portion of w 57th.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7649...802QKfJq4g!2e0
Meh, aside from the decent street level facade, it's mediocre brickwork dotted with Fedders air con boxes. The spire is okay, but difficult to see from street view. It's an unremarkable building all around.
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Close-ups of the existing building with Gothic detailing

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Extell plans 18-story Midtown resi building
New 41-unit structure would replace one with 122 units

November 12, 2015 02:00PM
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Gary Barnett’s Extell Development is planning a new 18-story residential building just south of Central Park, according to a permit application filed with the city Thursday.

The new structure at 134 West 58th Street will house 41 residential units in just over 52,000 square feet of space. Issac & Stern Architects is serving as the architect of record. The units will be distributed like this: two apartments on the first floor, three each on the second through 12th floors and just one large unit apiece on the 13th through 18th floors. The building will also have a rooftop recreation space, the filing shows.

An LLC affiliated with Extell bought the 15-story, 121-unit rental building in 2008 for $39 million. All the residential space in the building spans about 60,000 square feet, meaning units there average about 502 square feet. Units at the new building will average 1,268 square feet.

A representative for Extell could not be reached for comment.

Extell had also been in talks to buy an adjacent lot at 123-141 West 57th Street, the site of the Calvary Baptist Church and the Salisbury Hotel, Crain’s reported in May. That property has 241,000 square feet of available air rights. Extell’s filing suggests those discussions may have fallen through.

- See more at: http://therealdeal.com/blog/2015/11/....IP3zGTRM.dpuf
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