Winnipeg City Transit/Rapid Transit

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by TimeFadesAway

Yes, this is the downfall of society. That we apparently somehow can't talk negatively about people using drugs (although, almost as if by magic, we talk negatively about people doing drugs all the time with no repercussions).

The downfall of society is absolutely not our relentless pursuit of growth above all else while casting those aside who we feel can't or shouldn't keep up and conform (the root cause of the drug use).

There is a lot that can’t be talked about that should! Trouble is that in the “I’m offended society” that we have become there are very few things that can be criticized without repercussions! Men, caucasians and Christian’s being about all left open to open criticism!

And completely off topic here….man, that white guy reading the bible on the bus the other day, what a loser!

[pspeid]

From today's online Free Press:

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/br...-city-official

[thebasketballgeek]

Costs $2-$5 billion eh? There’s only a $3 billion discrepancy and using other cities who over engineer their tram is not a good example. Even if it’s expensive, the operating expenses and increase in transit ridership

Doesn’t have enough ridership demand? Of course there’s not enough demand right now because the damn thing hasn’t been built. It’s like they don’t consider the vacant decrepit state of Main Street has anything to do with how much of a traffic sewer the damn street is in the first place. A tram system will reduce traffic, make the street more walkable, and spur more development nearby to increase the ridership numbers in a self fulfilling cycle. North Main surely won’t get gentrified because a BRT line will go their. With a rail line at least there’s a chance.

Whatever, it’s always about money and not about what would be more pleasurable for the residents in the city. That’s how it’s always been except when it comes to widening roads and building more interchanges at the periphery of the city. Then it’s about economic investment and improving trade routes. Not like Main/St. Mary’s is one of the most important north-south routes in the city…

Enjoy all the under-30 mass exodus that will keep happening for the foreseeable future Winnipeg. This city gives me a new reason to move out every single day at this rate.

[davequanbury]

European cities are much better served by transit because they do not have a car-centric urban form. Also, they have historically had much more expensive gas prices. Also, it is possible to easily travel between cities without a car due to rail connections.

As for identity politics, Europeans pay higher taxes, deal with greater regulation of the market, and generally expect a more robust safety net than North America. They also legalized drugs before North America.

But, yeah, I'm sure "wokeism" is the real problem guys.

[Luisito]

Originally Posted by thebasketballgeek

Costs $2-$5 billion eh? There’s only a $3 billion discrepancy and using other cities who over engineer their tram is not a good example. Even if it’s expensive, the operating expenses and increase in transit ridership

Doesn’t have enough ridership demand? Of course there’s not enough demand right now because the damn thing hasn’t been built. It’s like they don’t consider the vacant decrepit state of Main Street has anything to do with how much of a traffic sewer the damn street is in the first place. A tram system will reduce traffic, make the street more walkable, and spur more development nearby to increase the ridership numbers in a self fulfilling cycle. North Main surely won’t get gentrified because a BRT line will go their. With a rail line at least there’s a chance.

Whatever, it’s always about money and not about what would be more pleasurable for the residents in the city. That’s how it’s always been except when it comes to widening roads and building more interchanges at the periphery of the city. Then it’s about economic investment and improving trade routes. Not like Main/St. Mary’s is one of the most important north-south routes in the city…

Enjoy all the under-30 mass exodus that will keep happening for the foreseeable future Winnipeg. This city gives me a new reason to move out every single day at this rate.

Yeah I though that comment about ridership demand was weird and a terrible excuse. Very shortsighted.

As far as people leaving, those of us over 30 will sadly never see Winnipeg with a modern/decent public transit system in our life time.

[thebasketballgeek]

Originally Posted by davequanbury

European cities are much better served by transit because they do not have a car-centric urban form. Also, they have historically had much more expensive gas prices. Also, it is possible to easily travel between cities without a car due to rail connections.

As for identity politics, Europeans pay higher taxes, deal with greater regulation of the market, and generally expect a more robust safety net than North America. They also legalized drugs before North America.

But, yeah, I'm sure "wokeism" is the real problem guys.

Well actually Winnipeg started with a streetcar-centric urban form and transitioned to a car-centric form because we followed the American model which in hindsight was a huge mistake.

Judging by the state of our Downtown then car-centric urban form is wildly unsuccessful. We can’t literally have the entire city designed and suited for an automobile. There has to be uninterrupted spaces of human congregation within a city to have some sort of urban fabric. Spaces where pedestrians, transit users, and cyclists are prioritized.

Yet every single one of those potential spaces in Winnipeg is interrupted by a surface parking lot. Even Fargo isn’t this bad in the Downtown.

[EdwardTH]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

There is a lot that can’t be talked about that should! Trouble is that in the “I’m offended society” that we have become there are very few things that can be criticized without repercussions! Men, caucasians and Christian’s being about all left open to open criticism!

And completely off topic here….man, that white guy reading the bible on the bus the other day, what a loser!

You're so determined to be a victim and it's kinda sad.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by EdwardTH

You're so determined to be a victim and it's kinda sad.

Stop taking drugs!

[zalf]

So on actual Transit updates, this is a super minor one, but big in terms of usability. Winnipeg Transit seem to replaced those awful QR codes with proper time tables again.

As a "pandemic measure" they replaced all the time tables with QR codes that would redirect to a digital time table. This was the sort of terrible plan that could only be devised by someone who never actually takes transit. It's was painfully slow, requires you have a charged smartphone with a data plan, and basically pretends winter doesn't exist. So screw you if your phone is dead, or it's -35 and you have to take your mitts off and freeze your fingers so you slowly muddle around their website just to see when (or if) your bus is coming.

I'm not even sure what problem the QR codes were attempting to solve, or if management looked around at the time and decided that's what all the cool kids were doing

Anyway, good riddance.

[WinCitySparky]

Originally Posted by EdwardTH

You're so determined to be a victim and it's kinda sad.

Just block him brother, everyone else did

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by WinCitySparky

Just block him brother, everyone else did

Oh look another lefty, counter argument to you're point of view and right away stick your head in the sand!

[borkborkbork]

Originally Posted by WinCitySparky

Just block him brother, everyone else did

"This message is hidden because (x) is on your ignore list."

^^ the secret to enjoying SSF

[Kinguni]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

Oh look another lefty, counter argument to you're point of view and right away stick your head in the sand!

Counter argument? You could only claim that if you weren't being a dick. I'm sure we'd have some good conversations in person but for what ever reason you get a kick out of being a dick online which completely invalidates any points you have to make and invalidates any substance from your posts, right or wrong. If I were a moderator, and years ago I was one on another large forum, you would be on permanent post approval. Sorry bug, time to block you.

Goodbye

[Kinguni]

Originally Posted by borkborkbork

"This message is hidden because (x) is on your ignore list."

^^ the secret to enjoying SSF

I expect this will be magic.

[bomberjet]

A couple things.

First. I'm trying to understand the north transit garage replacement funding and schedule.

According to the 2023 budget, there was $44 million budgeted last year for the project. I assume that went unspent and reallocated elsewhere, since there is definitely not $44 mil of work complete on the project. There is $88 million budgeted for this year, and another $67 million for the next 2 years. As far as I know, there are currently zero plans in place to construct the garage. What's with the $200 million in funding???

Second. There is $7 million sin funding plan for 2025 and 2026 for preliminary design on the downtown rapid transit portion. So the extension through Union Station. Assuming that schedule holds and the work doesn't keep getting pushed. Earliest we'd see any construction action would likely be 2030 ish based on funding and who the Mayor is at that point. Could see it as an election promise type thing.

Information included in the budget here, on Page 200-201 for the garage and page 203 for the RT thing.
https://www.winnipeg.ca/sites/defaul...Volume%203.pdf

[Biff]

That transit garage is estimated to cost $182m to build (+-). The RFP for Detailed design is expected out in May. It is scheduled for construction start late spring 2024.

[bomberjet]

So are they holding all this money in reserve until then? There's $132 mil budgeted for last year and this year. Typically, that is not the procedure to hold money like that.

[Kinguni]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Second. There is $7 million sin funding plan for 2025 and 2026 for preliminary design on the downtown rapid transit portion. So the extension through Union Station. Assuming that schedule holds and the work doesn't keep getting pushed. Earliest we'd see any construction action would likely be 2030 ish based on funding and who the Mayor is at that point. Could see it as an election promise type thing.

Probably not even that. Just what ever on street work to be done downtown for the master plan routes through downtown. Union Station and its associated bus roads and bridges will take major federal funding to happen. Would I like to see it sped up? Hell yeah! Until it is completed it will be a major missing piece in making this RT stuff work.

[bomberjet]

I don't remember what the current mayors priorities are towards transit, if anything. Chief Peguis and Kenaston are his priorities in major capital spending. North End wastewater plant eats up a lot of the cities money until 2030 ish.

All of that will need federal and provincial support. So if transit comes after that, we're well into 2030's.

[Kinguni]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

So if transit comes after that, we're well into 2030's.

Long after I've retired and left Manitoba.