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^ that comment makes me think of something I read about chicago several wks ago...someone at ssp (or some other forum, don't recall where) said that the landscaping....trees, flower beds....in that city was really well maintained. That surprised me since publicity out of towns like that over the past few yrs has been more negative instead of positive. Even supposedly small details can either help or hurt a community.
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^ that comment makes me think of something I read about chicago several wks ago...someone at ssp (or some other forum, don't recall where) said that the landscaping....trees, flower beds....in that city was really well maintained. That surprised me since publicity out of towns like that over the past few yrs has been more negative instead of positive. Even supposedly small details can either help or hurt a community.
Which has absolutely nothing to do with what is going on in downtown Los Angeles. No one in DTLA is thinking about landscaping in Chicago. No one.
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Speaking of landscaping...

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First phase of Pershing Square revamp is now permit-ready
L.A. officials plan to revamp the Olive Street side of the park
MAY 17, 2022, 6:30AM STEVEN SHARP

After a decade of discussion, the latest makeover of L.A.'s oldest and most-frequently revamped park is just about ready for construction.

At its meeting scheduled for May 19, the Los Angeles Board of Recreation and Parks Commissioners is slated to sign off on final plans for Phase 1A of the Pershing Square renovation. The proposed improvements, focused on the five-acre park's western face along Olive Street, include the removal of the existing cafe structure and vertical circulation elements, making way for new landscaping, a street-level entry plaza, and two new glass elevators to access the parking garage below.

Not included in the current scope of plans, which will cost approximately $6.7 million to complete, are proposed edge improvements along the park's northern and southern frontages along 5th and 6th Streets. Likewise, a second phase of the renovation, which would close garage entrances and exits along Hill Street to create a new entrance promenade on the park's eastern face, remains in the planning stage, and will not move forward until funding becomes available.

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Pershing Square, which originated as a public square in the 1860s, has undergone a number of changes in its more than 150 years as a park. According to the L.A. Conservancy, its original layout was created in the 1880s by city engineer Fred Eaton, which was followed by a Beaux Arts design by architect John Parkinson in the early 20th century. That look was discarded in the 1950s, when the parking garage which now sits below the park was excavated, thus requiring raising the plane of the park above street level.

The current look of Pershing Square, created by architect Ricardo Legorreta in the early 1990s, includes a stylized earthquake fault and installations which reference the aqueducts which famously have supplied much of the city's water. However, the existing format has been criticized for its "maze of walls," which cut the park off from its surroundings.
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Does anyone know what's being planned for this parking lot here? Seems like it'd be the perfect location for a new supertall.

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I think once they get rid of all those walls and close the Hill Street side garage entrance and exit that should help a lot. Ideally, they should do the same for the Olive Street side too.







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Which has absolutely nothing to do with what is going on in downtown Los Angeles. No one in DTLA is thinking about landscaping in Chicago. No one.
But all places play the game of keeping up with the joneses....some more than others. Cities within the LA basin do a bit of keeping up with each other, cities throughout the US & world do the same thing. It's funny how many new projs in dtla often cause various ppl to ask, why can't LA do things like other places do?

But details like the fact the dwp moat & other fountains in dtla are dry admittedly take a back seat to news that just came out today: A young guy riding a bicycle next to the Bloc...on flower or hope st...has been killed by a group that confronted him. The news over the weekend of another person being killed in front of grand central mkt....& the sight of hundreds of ppl running out of it....are unsettling.

The posts a few days ago about ppl not using transit in LA....such as the Expo or redline to dtla....because of fear of being harassed or victimized is not a subj that devlprs of new projs in dt....or their tenants, clients or customers....are going to take lightly.
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Does anyone know what's being planned for this parking lot here? Seems like it'd be the perfect location for a new supertall.
I believe most, if not all of that land is owned by the MTA. The parking lot that was formerly north of there, where the park fifth apt tower has been built, was what I most wanted to see go adios. The back wall of the bldg facing broadway has a large mural on it. So the parking lot...or gap....next to it along Hill St....doesn't bother me as much.
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You find something to focus on that is negative all the time. This Pershing Square is something very positive for DTLA, but you don’t want to talk about that development.
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there was a question asked about the parking lot to the east of Pershing sq....my stating that it's in front of a large mural, & the need for a so called super tall to the west of it isn't all that necessary to me, isn't my idea of a negative. As for the park fifth tower, that's a positive thing to me...it fills in a part of the block around pershing sq. What is a negative were the various ppl complaining that the new bldg wasn't taller.
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What was the point of the city hosting an elaborate design competition, culminating in the choosing of a high quality design, if this is what they are going to end up doing instead? Makes no sense.
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What was the point of the city hosting an elaborate design competition, culminating in the choosing of a high quality design, if this is what they are going to end up doing instead? Makes no sense.
I wrote in to the Board of Parks and Recs. I just couldn't. Building this Phase 1 nonsense is a colossal mistake and a waste of taxpayers money with the glass elevators and all. Even if they ignore my email at least I tried.

I'm sure a lot of you are unhappy with this so please have a shot - RAP.COMMISSIONERS@LACITY.ORG

Maybe enough emails will make them reconsider removing the garage to build Agence Ter in full.
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What was the point of the city hosting an elaborate design competition, culminating in the choosing of a high quality design, if this is what they are going to end up doing instead? Makes no sense.
If I had to guess it'd be to try to get a groundswell of support from civic and business leaders, philanthropists, etc to rally around the design and get funding.

Without that they probably felt they couldn't only do this which I think is incredibly short sighted.
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I understand closing the garage isn't practical, but if they could even just eliminate one of the ramps, that would be hugely helpful. Having the square cut off from the street on 3 sides just totally ruins the pedestrian access to it, and helps to make the interior of PS feel isolated and disconnected from the surrounding city. Even just removing one of these ramps and reconnecting the square to either 5th, 6th, or Olive would be great. Also, the Hill St side should be 'flattened' out as much as possible, with walls and other visual impediments to the center of the square removed.

There are plenty of excellent examples of urban squares we could look at for inspiration. Further, there are plenty of excellent urban squares atop underground garages we could look at! Two that come to mind are San Francisco's Union Square, and Cincinnati's Fountain Square.
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When ppl suggest removing the parking under Pershing Sq, I get the feeling they're never in dt or are so rarely there they don't get how the moving parts of the area work.

Other hoods in LA, such as samo or pasadena, provide lots of public parking, even at partly discounted rates. Yes, I'm glad the redline or B line is being extended down Wilshire. But there were some comments a few pgs back about how certain sspers are avoiding using transit...that their safety & not being harassed come first, Even before Covid, I read that the number of riders on transit in LA had decreased. So cars & parking continue to play a role in dtla, like it or not.

There have been comments about posts being negative or going off tangent. But when ppl seem to miss the details of what dtla....& LA, Socal....are all about & the reality of LA instead of an idealistic version of it, I get the feeling they're not paying attention.

When this proj was announced a few months ago, instead of understanding all the ins & outs of what's behind it, ppl complained it was too short, a big letdown, too small, not architecturally slick enough, wasn't much better than the parking lot it's going to replace. Again, do ppl visit dt, go to events there, see how the real dtla works...or doesn't work?

Approaching new projs like the one planned for the Colburn school from a purely visual standpoint...or asking why new bldgs aren't taller or as nicely designed as they think similar projs are in other cities...makes sense if ppl look at dtla from 20 miles away & rarely or never attend concerts at a disney hall or colburn's current campus. Or drop by places like the grand central mkt or LA live.



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I understand closing the garage isn't practical, but if they could even just eliminate one of the ramps, that would be hugely helpful. Having the square cut off from the street on 3 sides just totally ruins the pedestrian access to it, and helps to make the interior of PS feel isolated and disconnected from the surrounding city. Even just removing one of these ramps and reconnecting the square to either 5th, 6th, or Olive would be great. Also, the Hill St side should be 'flattened' out as much as possible, with walls and other visual impediments to the center of the square removed.

There are plenty of excellent examples of urban squares we could look at for inspiration. Further, there are plenty of excellent urban squares atop underground garages we could look at! Two that come to mind are San Francisco's Union Square, and Cincinnati's Fountain Square.
Agreed, I think if they could eliminate 2 or 3 of those ramps that would make the square a lot more pedestrian friendly. Or make the entrance/exit perpendicular to the street, rather than parallel, which elongates the wall/barrier and hurts access.

There are plenty of good examples of urban parks. Bryant Park in NYC also comes to mind, although I don't think that has an underground garage. Regardless, it should not be that difficult to redesign Pershing Square into a more pedestrian friendly square with some basic changes.
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I've just scrolled through over 70 comments at this website, and talk about being negative, pessimistic, unhappy about dtla, dissatisfied there's a parking lot under PS...


https://la.urbanize.city/post/first-phase-pershing-square-revamp-now-permit-ready


I can say if city & county govnt can't even maintain water features...at grand park, the DWP bldg, Ft Moore memorial.....& certain ppl think that's much ado about nothing....then why does anyone think something that's even more complicated, expensive & caught up in city officials' & designers' preferences will be any simpler?

The DWP bldg...a landmark part of dt....goes back over 60 yrs, so it's a known entity. Yet the owner of the property feels it can't be maximized in its early 1960's format. Okay, there's a drought. I don't deny that. But how many ppl in local govnt wanting to make a big statement about reduced water supplies are guilty of 'do as I say, not what I do'? We've seen more than enough of that since 2020 & the way that local or state officials have handled the pandemic: 'you weak a mask, but I don't have to.'

The revamp of PS is supposed to start in the near future. If it's a big dud or letdown, welcome to the club, ppl
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^ I’m not sure what the fountains have to do with Pershing Square and its renovation.

There's actually a pretty cool thread about water features if you'd like to channel your ideas there.
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^ if something as basic & seemingly simple as water features associated with local landmarks or sections of dtla are caught up in politics, power plays and personal tastes & priorities, then why should a proj that's way newer, more costly & much more complicated somehow skate smoothly on by?
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