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Old Posted Feb 27, 2008, 2:15 PM
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^ Non sequitur. Scottsdale doesn't border on the Salt River, so this will have to do.

Tempe has too much airplane noise (although Tempe Town Lake is fantastic), and Phoenix's section of the Salt River is gritty enough to give most people a rash.

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^ Exactly. If we cared, we wouldn't call the canal a Waterfront--those developments would pop up by the Salt.

Off-topic anyway. Continue.
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The days in which the growth and formation of cities was governed by largely by natural elements of landscape and topography are long gone. Interesting, isn't it, that despite this fact, the importance of geographic location cannot be over-emphasized? I could go on to look at the fact that despite the increasing speed and volume of connectivity, and the number and prevalence of mega-commutes, that strong, truly important cities are thriving and growing in importance while smaller cities become more dependent, following the trends and struggling to compete? Just a brief treatise on geography, as observed by a resident of a second-tier metro area who wishes it could legitimately claim greater importance and stature among even its peers, much less true global cities.
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I remember walking along the canal banks as a kid. There was always something interesting floating by like parts of cars, pieces of furniture and the occasional bloated dead cat. I gotta think the City of Scottsdale has someone watching out for that along this stretch of the canal. It is nice to see part of the old canal system polished up so nicely.
I've always found it supremely bizarre in our near waterless metro, that we turn our backs on the canals so much. Our homes back up to them, business turn away from them, and we more or less ignore them. Why? The area by the Arizona Falls, and now Scottsdale Waterfront proves what beautiful things they can be.

When I rule the world (just go with it), the City of Phoenix (and its 'burbs as well, but I care much less about them) Parks Department will quit shunning the canals and turn them into long, linear parks. With hedges or small decretive fences the canals could be made safe from anyone falling in and our canals could go back to the way they once were- tree lined places for people to enjoy and cool off.
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4020 Lofts is gaining some steam. These pics are about 10 days old. Red brick is going up facad. Model should be open in about 3 weeks.





And a cool pic of Scottsdale Waterfront:
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Rivalry develops into partnership: One Scottsdale
development to be shared by DMB, Westcor

(Tribune, The (Mesa, AZ) (KRT) Via Thomson Dialog NewsEdge) Mar. 5--Two former retail development rivals are teaming up to bring luxury stores such as Neiman Marcus and shops selling designer duds to north Scottsdale.

And the foes-turned-partners will likely rewrite plans for the massive Paradise Ridge area of northeast Phoenix.

High-end residential developer DMB has already started building its 120-acre One Scottsdale retail-residentialoffice complex on the east side of Scottsdale Road, just north of Loop 101.

Prolific Valley shopping center developer Westcor long planned an even bigger but similar development in Paradise Ridge, just across Scottsdale Road.

Now, DMB has opted to let Westcor develop, lease and manage One Scottsdale's 500,000 square feet of retail, and to boost that number higher if it can attract the choicest stores, said Robert Mayhew, general manager of DMB Commercial.

In fact, Westcor and DMB executives hinted at, but wouldn't confirm, plans for DMB to develop the residential portion of both One Scottsdale and Paradise Ridge, while Westcor concentrates on the retail portions of both.

The One Scottsdale collaboration is the first evidence of a longtime partnership that aims to "control both sides of Scottsdale Road and its vast real estate assets," said Eneas Kane, DMB's chief operating officer.

Paradise Ridge, more than 2,000 vacant acres northwest of Loop 101 and Scottsdale Road, is owned by the Arizona State Land Department. Westcor has been planning the parcel for nearly a dozen years, and in 2005 announced plans to develop a 1 million-squarefoot luxury shopping center dubbed Palisene on 72 acres of the site.

But by the time the parcel was pegged for auction, both DMB and Thomas Klutznick, developer of nearby City North, had already announced plans for upscale shopping centers on either side of the state-owned property and started vying for coveted retailers with the promise of a timelier and more certain development plan.

To add to Westcor's woes, DMB indicated plans to bid on the Palisene parcel, and Klutznick sued to stop the auction. The hurdles were finally cleared, and the 112-acre chunk of land has been scheduled for auction April 30, said Mark Winkleman, state land commissioner.

Now, the DMB-Westcor partnership throws a new monkey wrench into the plans, he said.

He's not sure anybody will be willing to invest $100 million to buy the land at auction and pay for the roads and other necessities to develop it.

By teaming up with DMB, Westcor can start wooing retailers to One Scottsdale and redesign the Palisene shopping center to be something else, without the need to get it under development fast.

"It doesn't by any means detract from our commitment to Palisene. We see these as complementary uses," said Scott Nelson, Westcor vice president of development.

"But it allows the State Land Department the ability to step back (to reexamine potential uses)." Scott Nelson, Westcor vice president of development, said the amount of luxury retail in the three proposed projects plus Desert Ridge Marketplace may be too much.

"We've always been concerned that the amount of retail planned in this area was non-supportable," Nelson said. "And if one project is not successful, it sends an (unfavorable) message to all."

Winkleman said it's not all bad news.

With Westcor's clout in wooing the most coveted retailers, another 1,000 acres of state land east of One Scottsdale should go up in value, he said.
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http://www.scottsdaleaz.gov/projects...innews/SMW.asp

Project Proposal

Reqest: This rezoning request is to amend the Site Development Standards approved in case 2-ZN-2000 to accommodate the proposed Western Museum.

Project Number: 167-PA-2008

Location: northwest corner of Marshall Way and First Street, immediately north of Loloma Transportation Station.

Lot Size: 0.78+/- acres

Building Size: 45,000 square foot, four-story facility

Cost: $60 million ($53 million from private sector and $7 million plus land from the City of Scottsdale)

Architect: Jones Studio Inc., Phoenix, Arizona

Projected Opening: State of Arizona Centennial Day of Celebration: February 14, 2012


Interior Elements

Administrative offices, collection storage and work areas (Basement Level)
Outdoor Plaza, Atrium, and Gateway Main Lobby (First Floor)
Drawn to the West Orientation Theater (First Floor)
Creating the West Visitor Experiences (Second Floor)
Story Circle and Learning Center (Second Floor)
Great Hall Gallery of Changing Exhibits (Third Floor)
Collector’s Gallery of Rotating Collections (Third Floor)
Scottsdale Gallery of Icons of the West (Third Floor)
Terrace and Sculpture Garden (Rooftop Level)







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'Hanging Gardens of Babylon' condo project is a green retreat
Diana Balazs
The Arizona Republic
Mar. 24, 2008 11:30 AM

SCOTTSDALE - Around 600 B.C., the fabled Hanging Gardens of Babylon was considered one of the original Seven Wonders of the World.

According to Greek historians, the project featured terraces and roofs filled with topsoil to accommodate even large trees. There was an elaborate system to pump water from the Euphrates River to the garden beds and a seal made of reeds, tar, brick and concrete kept soil moisture from penetrating the roof structure.

Fast forward to 2008 to Scottsdale's Optima Camelview Village condominium project northwest of Highland Avenue and Scottsdale Road.

The 700-unit glass-and-steel project features terraced and rooftop gardens where 25 to 30 different kinds of colorful plants from groundcovers to trees grow. All the plants were selected for their low water use. A computerized drip watering system is used and a special fertilizer mix is added to the water to nourish the plants.

"Most of these plants just take off. I mean, they just grow incredibly rapidly," said architect and Optima founder David Hovey.

He mentioned one cascading vine called wedelia used in the project that will grow 10 or 12 feet in 3 months.

"They all hang over the edge of the buildings, so it's almost like the Hanging Gardens of Babylon," Hovey said.


Growing green up top
Hovey has been incorporating green roofs in his building designs for about 30 years, originally on a much smaller scale.

"This is, I think, the largest green roof installation of any residential development in the world," Hovey said.

Three landscape architects and a landscaping contractor, ISS Grounds Control, keep the Optima Camelview Village project beautiful and growing. The project site is about 14 acres with 23 acres of landscaping."The only way we can do it is by these green roof areas, and some of these buildings are seven stories high, they vary in height from two stories to seven stories," Hovey said.

Each of the project's units have a private outdoor area with in-ground landscaping.

"Most condominiums will have a balcony or no balcony at all for outdoor space," Hovey said.


How it works
Hovey said on top of each of the units' concrete deck structure is placed a waterproofing membrane. And over that a protection board and a drainage mat about a half inch thick.

"So what happens when it rains, the water goes through all the soil and then drains through the mat to a vertical downspout and from there is either recaptured or goes into the storm sewer system," Hovey said.

Between 6 inches and 2 feet of custom mixed local dirt is placed on top of everything depending on how the big the plants are.

Hovey said an entire year's lifecycle of soil mixtures and plants were tested at Mountain States Wholesale Nursery in Glendale. There were 12 test beds. Different plants were selected for different areas because of the project's design and the orientation of the sun in summer and winter.

"Some plants are mostly in the shade and there are some plants that are always in the sun and they're entirely different. Ones in the shade would never work in the sun and ones in the sun would never work in the shade. It's a very complex situation. We've analyzed it both on the computer and by taking sun readings where we actually measured the sun scientifically at different locations so we know ahead of time what the exact condition is," he said.

The drainage system can be adjusted based on how much water needs to be siphoned.

"We have a double system. For example, if it rains too fast too quickly, we have releases where it goes over the edge. One of the great things about green roofs is that when you get sudden storms, the soil absorbs the rain and it slowly lets it into the storm drain system so the city of Scottsdale is very happy because they are not getting millions of gallons of water thrown at them all at the same time," Hovey said.


Benefits abound
Another advantage of green roofs is that the plants create oxygen out of carbon dioxide and the green roof also provides insulation for the building below.

"There's just all kinds of benefits that go beyond the aesthetics," Hovey said.

And all that landscaping combined with less concrete and asphalt helps lower the ambient temperature between 10 to 12 degrees in urban situations, Hovey said.

"It's both working together. Of course, naturally being an architect, my main objective of the plants is to provide an aesthetically very pleasing environment," he said.

Hovey's love of plants is deep rooted.

"I've always as an architect have been very interested in landscaping. My idea would be that the building is just a backdrop and the landscaping is sort of the main feature," he said.
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holy smokes that thing looks awesome
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Jones Studio, eh? Incredible!! I hope this works out as planned, b/c it looks awesome!
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The Western Museum is very cool. Look for the geezers and knee-jerk conservatives to go to war over the design, however. "It's destroying the western nature of Scottsdale!" "Ohmigod, the world is coming to an end!" "Mildred, whatever shall we do?"



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God I hope you're wrong!!
Scottsdale needs some young voices to show up to their town meetings.
Not everyone likes 6 consecutive blocks of Western themed souvenir shops.
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It looks pretty tall. That would be the one area that I think people would protest. The contemporary architecture I don't think will garner too much protest in itself. No one knows what Western architecture is supposed to look like today anyway, so I don't think that will be an issue.
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Heh heh, I did the parking study for the Muesum of the West.
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NICE! They got enough handicapped spots? Is it a parking lot? I can't tell where that would be from the limited pictures we have of the site itself.
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**223-PA-2008 - Development Review for 1 Hotel and Residences at 7025
E. Via Soleri Dr. (the remaining vacant parcel in the Waterfront
project). Request: develop a luxury, eco-friendly global hospitality
product
that will combine the best of environmentally sustainable architecture
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I can't find the article now, but there was something on Arizona central.com about how a recent zoning approval decision in Scottsdale will now be voted on by the public, because opponents secured enough signatures to refer the approval to the ballot. Pretty sad if you ask me...

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NICE! They got enough handicapped spots? Is it a parking lot? I can't tell where that would be from the limited pictures we have of the site itself.
We didn't really delve into handicapped parking issues (those are typically handled by the code requirements and the site planner)...

There is an underground parking garage under the museum.
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So what's the parking study if it doesn't pertain to the code? I'm confused.

That's cool that the parking will be underground.
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Potentially bad news for DT Scottsdale.

[QUOTE Anti-density activist to run for mayor

by Lesley Wright - Apr. 8, 2008 12:44 PM
The Arizona Republic

SCOTTSDALE - Scottsdale residents opposed to the city's boom in large, tall projects will have their own mayoral candidate in activist John Washington.

The 46-year-old south Scottsdale resident filed papers last week vowing not to collect or spend more than $500 in his campaign for the Sept. 2 election.

It's a pledge he is likely to revise.
"The more I think about it, the more difficult it looks to do that," Washington said. Mayoral candidates in the past have spent well over $50,000.

Residents have come to know Washington over the past several years as chairman of COGS - the Coalition of Greater Scottsdale. The group has fought major developments such as the proposed Waterview and Hanover projects downtown.

"Our primary focus is land planning and how it affects residents who live here now," Washington said. "Many developer's products are for people who will live here in the future."

Washington owns a small company called Reaction Research that makes parts for vintage racing cars. He lives with his wife and 3-year-old daughter in the Peaceful Valley subdivision.

If he collects 1,961 nominating signatures, he will face Mayor Mary Manross, who is running for her third four-year term, and City Councilman Jim Lane.

As difficult as the road may be, Washington said that his candidacy at least would start "a conversation" about growth issues.

"I think we've got some conversations that need to take place about where we are as a city, where we are heading and where we want to be," he said.]
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