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Old Posted Jan 23, 2023, 4:13 PM
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Transit is already the full length of Dafoe incl. their parking lot and restrooms right before Sanderson. They don't need to be on Dysart if/when such a bridge is built. Just reorganize the roads around there and run Dafoe NE to the river crossing
Dafoe is a real problem for the RT network. The buses get off the busway, and in the morning and late afternoon, they crawl along Dafoe, which is also an access road for drivers who park in the parking lots near the athletics facility, engineering, the administration building, etc.

I don't know if there's some way of getting that car traffic off Dafoe and setting up different access points for those parking lots, but right now it's not great in terms of reliability/speed.
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Dafoe is a real problem for the RT network. The buses get off the busway, and in the morning and late afternoon, they crawl along Dafoe, which is also an access road for drivers who park in the parking lots near the athletics facility, engineering, the administration building, etc.

I don't know if there's some way of getting that car traffic off Dafoe and setting up different access points for those parking lots, but right now it's not great in terms of reliability/speed.
The current set up is not too different than busses having to be slowed down at every block on Graham because of red lights and stopping at a bus stop every block. Both ends of the RT line

The major lots that have to be accessed via Dafoe in the current set up are athletics (Active Living Centre), music, that tiny engineering lot, and the admin building. The athletics lot is probably the most busy one, and open to most. The loop around the admin building was closed to traffic except parking pass holders and taxis I believe. Dafoe can also be used to access lots south of Dafoe.

If the pace of things are too slow in the future they could likely restrict access to the lots/buildings on the south side of Dafoe, forcing traffic to those areas down to Freedman Crescent.

Regardless, it seems like the U of M is supportive of RT and would be open to making necessary accommodations for proper service to and through campus.
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2023, 7:50 PM
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If I understand the image right, it's the area bounded by University Crescent, the river, Sifton, and Thatcher. The roads through the centre are Sidney Smith in one direction and Markham in the other.

What I'm interested in is the idea that everything has to be high-quality design and materials, built to LEED gold. Anyone have any guesses as to the psf construction cost and likely rents? It seems like a very expensive set of standards to build to if your target market is students and staff who want to rent...
Getting pedantic here.

The area bound by University, Sifton, the river, and the north side is the new pond they show in the plan view.

The road seen in the middle is Markham, then Sydney Smith towards the north side.
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2023, 10:42 PM
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The current set up is not too different than busses having to be slowed down at every block on Graham because of red lights and stopping at a bus stop every block. Both ends of the RT line

The major lots that have to be accessed via Dafoe in the current set up are athletics (Active Living Centre), music, that tiny engineering lot, and the admin building. The athletics lot is probably the most busy one, and open to most. The loop around the admin building was closed to traffic except parking pass holders and taxis I believe. Dafoe can also be used to access lots south of Dafoe.

If the pace of things are too slow in the future they could likely restrict access to the lots/buildings on the south side of Dafoe, forcing traffic to those areas down to Freedman Crescent.

Regardless, it seems like the U of M is supportive of RT and would be open to making necessary accommodations for proper service to and through campus.
A lot of that traffic is people dropping off and picking up people. U of M has never been supportive of the buses on Dafoe. Winnipeg Transit a few years ago threatened to pull the buses right out as the University since they weren't being accommodating to Transit's needs. I daresay that buses moved in and out of the University quicker when they used Freedman and Alumni to enter the University.
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U of M board of governors has approved the redevelopment of the golf course.

https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/plan-to-...ight-1.6265755

2000 units, 100k square feet of retail in phase 1. Correct me if I'm wrong but this project has already been fully approved by the City, right?

Given the pace of south Pembina and Refinery District MFR going up I feel very optimistic that this will fill in fairly quickly.

Edit: You can also see the Phase 1 lots for sale:

https://southwoodcircle.com/curent-lots/

The website has a few interesting details, including servicing starting this May and construction beginning next year.

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U of M board of governors has approved the redevelopment of the golf course.

https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/plan-to-...ight-1.6265755

2000 units, 100k square feet of retail in phase 1. Correct me if I'm wrong but this project has already been fully approved by the City, right?

Given the pace of south Pembina and Refinery District MFR going up I feel very optimistic that this will fill in fairly quickly.

Edit: You can also see the Phase 1 lots for sale:

https://southwoodcircle.com/curent-lots/

The website has a few interesting details, including servicing starting this May and construction beginning next year.
Will be a great development once completed in 2085
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I don't think fully approved is the word. I believe they've approved the local area plan, or whatever it's called for this project. I'm not sure about subdivision and re-zoning yet. or if any of the proposed buildings need variances. They'd need to approve all that.

edit: I haven't been following too closely.Since they're selling lot's then ya seems like zoning is done and it's ready for construction.
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A City Within A City – Manitoba's Second Largest Urban Centre

WINNIPEG, MB, Sept. 20, 2023 /CNW/ - The largest and most sustainable infill development in Winnipeg's history will break ground today, marking the beginning of the city's newest and most innovative neighbourhood. Southwood Circle will be a complete community, home to more than 20,000 people once it's finished, and promises to be one of the most exciting new neighbourhoods in the country. The University of Manitoba (UM) campus, Smart Park and Southwood Circle will have a combined daily population of residents, students, staff and faculty of over 60,000 people when complete, effectively making it the second largest city in the province.

"In many ways, Southwood Circle will be a model community, based on what we know makes healthy, vibrant neighbourhoods. That means it's walkable, it's diverse, it promotes active living, and it's sustainable," said Greg Rogers, CEO of UM Properties. "This community has been planned with careful attention to Indigenous design principles that embrace the need to live in harmony with nature and with one another."

The groundbreaking will take place near where the Southwood Golf and Country Club clubhouse used to stand. Today, that spot is in Phase 1 of Southwood Circle, a neighbourhood that has been 15 years in the making since the University of Manitoba purchased the former golf course. Rogers will be joined by Bob Silver, Chair of UM Properties, Michael Benarroch, President of the University of Manitoba, and Winnipeg City Councillor and Deputy Mayor Janice Lukes, to celebrate the groundbreaking alongside invited guests.

Transforming the UM Campus
"Southwood Circle is part of a transformation of the 110-year-old Fort Garry campus from a daytime commuter destination to a complete community," said Michael Benarroch, President of the University of Manitoba. "This community answers the call for sustainable housing options. It will be a unique urban experience, distinct within Winnipeg. It will be rich in amenities. It will integrate the university with the surrounding community."

The University also expects to benefit financially from its ownership of UM Properties, which will manage the leasing of parcels of land throughout Southwood Circle in the years to come.

Research and Knowledge Transfer
Benarroch said he expects researchers from many university faculties will be excited for the opportunity to study the new community as it grows. Southwood Circle will create a Living Lab Research Consortium to which all of its developers will belong. Each developer will participate in data gathering, sharing and researching in various aspects of community development, from environmental and sociological impact to engineering and architectural design. This will give faculty and student researchers the opportunity to collaborate with developers and each other on interdisciplinary research projects. Research results shared within and beyond the consortium members will help other communities achieve higher levels of sustainability and wellness.

"We have this unique opportunity to continuously improve energy, water and waste efficiency, and generate higher levels of overall wellness through applied science. We cannot solve the problems of the world on these 80 acres but we can find new and better ways that can be shared and applied elsewhere to make an ever greater contribution to housing and environmental challenges." said Rogers. "We want this neighbourhood to be a place of wellness, happiness and community. And we want it to be a place of healing too with respect to relationships with Indigenous peoples."

Preserving the Trees
The Southwood Circle design team, including Anishinaabe architect Ryan Gorie, was tasked with designing a community that embraced nature and preserved the 5,000 trees presently located on the property, some as old as 300 years. The team created a park network of existing forest for trails and to serve as wildlife corridors. The park network totals over 21 acres, twice the municipal requirement, and includes over nine acres of waterfront park. Under the Southwood Circle forest management plan, two trees will be planted for every tree that is removed. An on-site tree nursery is planned to supply new trees.

National Centre For Truth And Reconciliation (NCTR)
The future National Centre for Truth and Reconciliation will be located on Southwood lands granted to the NCTR by the University of Manitoba.

"One of our most important goals for Southwood Circle is for it to be a symbol of reconciliation in action," said Bob Silver, Chair of UM Properties. "We're immensely honoured that the National Centre for Truth and Reconciliation will be part the Southwood Circle community. And our planners have done an amazing job of giving it a place of prominence for residents and visitors. It will be one more reason to make Southwood Circle a destination of national and international importance."

Silver added that he is proud of the work Southwood Circle has done consulting with the NCTR and local Indigenous nations and organizations, including many Elders. The name Southwood Circle arose through consultation with the Elders' circle who suggested the name include a reference to the circle of life.

"As we aspire for this community to be among the most sustainable ever built in Canada, it's worth pausing to recognize that Indigenous peoples have embodied this way of living for centuries on this very spot. We are honoured that the local Indigenous nations have welcomed us in the development of the project on their traditional territories," said Silver.

$5 Billion Investment
UM Properties has divided the land into parcels that it will lease to third party developers who will be responsible for building the development in accordance with UM Properties design guidelines. The first call for proposals went out in summer 2023 and construction on the first buildings is expected to begin in 2024. All told, the neighbourhood is expected to be home to more than 12 million square feet of new residential, commercial and institutional space representing more than $5 billion in private investment in today's dollars.

"This is an exciting day for the City of Winnipeg, because we are heralding a brand-new infill neighbourhood designed for people from all walks of life. This will help us house thousands of people in a bright, welcoming, sustainable environment," said Lukes. "But we're also happy that this neighbourhood will be built at a very low cost for taxpayers today and in the future."

Southwood Circle will use existing city infrastructure, including sewer and water pipes, roads and transit services. Lukes said it's remarkable that Winnipeg will be able to welcome 20,000 more people but only have to build 2.5 kilometers of new road. The new residents will only be a short walk away from the University of Manitoba campus, which features fitness facilities, stadiums, a theatre and much more.

Focus On Community Wellness
At Southwood Circle it will be easy to get around and accomplish your daily travels on foot, by bike or by transit. The community will feature about 10 kilometers of new active transportation pathways and the entire neighbourhood will be just steps from the rapid transit station at the University of Manitoba, which makes a downtown commute quick and easy.

"A walkable community is interactive, healthy and inexpensive. Walking and biking is healthier than driving a car. Eliminating a car saves the average household thousands of dollars per year that they can put to better use. Fewer cars will be one of the biggest impacts our community can have on carbon reduction. Our residents are happier and so is mother nature," said Rogers.

Once completed, Southwood Circle will be one of the most densely populated neighbourhoods in the city, boasting a range of housing options from affordable rentals to luxury condominiums.

"The most vibrant and desirable cities in the world have been built this way," said Rogers. "We are aiming to replicate this with a variety of housing types, from premium to affordable, condo, rental and life lease, all serving a wide and diverse range of cultures, demographics and economic means."

About Southwood Circle
Southwood Circle will grow and transform the University of Manitoba campus into a world-leading "UniverCity" where 60,000 people will live, work, study or play. It will be Manitoba's first complete campus community and the largest residential mixed-use infill project ever embarked on in this city.

About UM Properties
UM Properties is a limited partnership whose units are controlled by a University of Manitoba trust. UM Properties GP Inc. is the general partner and the independent land development company guiding the creation of Southwood Circle into a complete mixed-use community.
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How can pembina highway handle 60,000 more people thats the same population as Waverly West which is much much more spread out and already making traffic difficult in South Winnipeg
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"UniverCity" is a decent pun, I'll give them that.

They're really going to have to figure out how to properly terminate the SWBRT if they're actually serious about making this development active transport and transit based
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How can pembina highway handle 60,000 more people thats the same population as Waverly West which is much much more spread out and already making traffic difficult in South Winnipeg
no need to, they will never leave their UniverCity, they study there, they sleep there, they eat there, they go to Bomber games there.
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What are they breaking ground for? Utilities or something?
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How can pembina highway handle 60,000 more people thats the same population as Waverly West which is much much more spread out and already making traffic difficult in South Winnipeg
Well it’ll be an additional 20k. Seems like there’s already 40k in and out of there every day.
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i would have preferred it if they had moved the university to the city instead of trying to move the city to the university.
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Repeat after me everyone. Not all high density development needs to be in the city centre.

And either I hope y’all didn’t forget about the Blue Line because believe it or not university students can and will go DT. I was a student just last year living in the ghastly Waverley West and still went to DT a bunch with my homies because of how convenient the Blue Line is. I know professors who commute from Downtown to U of M. It’s also got the best pedestrian focused infrastructure in the city with the raised crossings, the ridiculous amount of multi-use paths, and of course the pedestrian mall at Curry Place.

We have suburbs that aren’t walkable and a development like this won’t only make the U of M more walkable, but by extension nearby neighborhoods like Waverley Heights, Montcalm, Fort Richmond, and Riel (once the Rapid Transit bridge to St. Vital is constructed) will become more walkable as well just from new amenities and public realm improvements. It also will help fill some of those massive surface lots occupying Pembina as seen by the rapid densification of the corridor.

Hell even living in Waverley West for a decade the Bison at Superstore + the amenities at U of M and the best AT infrastructure in the city made it pretty easy for me to not have to own a car tbh.

A lot of people in this forum (predominantly the inner city residents here go figure) remain skeptical but I am very optimistic about this project. It’s the textbook definition of transit oriented development.
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I'm very excited for this development. It will take awhile and will ultimately look quite different than the renderings, but the fundamentals are promising.

As other people have pointed out, the plan is to house about 20,000 new residents, not 60,000. The article says 60,000 people will be around the U of M campus everyday, so about 20,000 people living there + 30,000 students + 10,000 staff/SmartPark employees.

For people concerned about traffic, this development will create less traffic than a new development on the edge of the city, such as Waverly West. The 2016 Census says in the census tract of River-Osborne (Eastern part of Osborne Village), only 42% of people commute by car. That number is about 95% in Island Lakes. If a new neighbourhood of 20,000 people were to be built on the edge of the city, then you could expect about double the number of new cars added to the road compared to the proposed development at Southwood Circle.

https://legacy.winnipeg.ca/census/2016/

Lastly, there's many other benefits from infill projects like this such as reduced greenhouse gas emissions (compared to new greenfield development), more tax revenue for the city, more transit ridership (again, more money for the city because people pay to ride the bus but our roads are all toll free), and less farmland being destroyed.
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i would have preferred it if they had moved the university to the city instead of trying to move the city to the university.
Ya I think the biggest shame of the whole thing is having a suburban campus so far from existing urban neighbourhoods. I always wished the U of M had located itself in Norwood Flats, a perfect sized loop in the river right outside downtown.
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As others have mentioned, even if the development does not come out looking like the renders (which I doubt it will) that does not mean that the 'bones' - the planning principles - of the development are not solid.

Though we can sit here and bemoan the decision to move the core UM campuses out of Downtown back in the day, we cannot change the fact that UM isn't moving anywhere. I have been commuting from downtown to campus for nearly six years, and the infrastructure and link to Downtown have improved vastly since 2017 (with the 2nd phase of the Blue finishing at the start of Covid), and is now by far the best transit service in the city, albeit, with its many classic Winnipeg Transit faults.

As BBG said not all density needs to be Downtown. With the amount of new development in the south of Winnipeg, having an additional core is not a bad thing.

Think about it - the Blue will eventually connect the upcoming developments at Polo Park to Downtown - then to all the TOD/future TOD along the rapid transitway, and then end at Southwood Circle. That's a lot of density connected by transit - meeting in the middle Downtown.

UM takes its time with things - it's like steering a big and unwieldy ship. I am optimistic about the direction and motivation they have to pursue this development
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"UniverCity" is a decent pun, I'll give them that.
I really hope they stick with it
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