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I agree its just that politics in USA is so stupid.
and rick scott is king of stupid.

is there plans or links on the AAF Miami station
how they put 3 buildings on top of 2 levels of shoping
and the train tracks / also how where it connects to
Metro Rail
Yes AAF has agreed to connect with Metrorail across the street:

From Miami Today News :
All Aboard Florida unveils station details
Written by Lidia Dinkova on August 19, 2014

The site plan also indicates that a connection between All Aboard Florida’s station and the Metrorail is in the works. The connection is to be from the southern part of All Aboard Florida’s station and it will travel over Northwest Third Street, according to preliminary plans.

Miami-Dade Transit representatives sitting on the administrative committee reviewing station plans pushed for such a connection during past meetings with All Aboard Florida.

At the time, All Aboard representatives said the committee is overreaching by mandating the structure so early in the process.

The parties settled on “an elevated pedestrian” link between the future station and the Metrorail.

According to plans submitted to the county, the overpass is to run from All Aboard Florida’s mezzanine level or from its platform to Metrorail’s mezzanine level. A mezzanine is an intermediate floor between two main floors of a structure.


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Old Posted Aug 26, 2014, 9:27 AM
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Work begins finally on Miami to Orlando fast train

Work begins — finally — on Miami-to-Orlando fast train!


^ A view of the incomplete train lines at Yamato Road near North Dixie Highway in Boca Raton on Thursday, Aug. 21 2014. All Aboard Florida, has begun the upgraded of the new tracks in preparation for a forthcoming express passenger train service between Miami and Orlando. Executives in charge of the project say that this will be operating between Miami and West Palm Beach in 2016 and between West Palm Beach and Orlando 2017. DAVID SANTIAGO / EL NUEVO HERALD STAFF

BY ALFONSO CHARDY ACHARDY@ELNUEVOHERALD.COM

Preliminary work has begun for construction of a $2.5 billion express passenger train between Miami and Orlando.

In preparation for the project, 35,000 linear feet of new steel rails have been laid on the ground alongside existing freight train tracks at two sites in Palm Beach County just west of North Dixie Highway in Boca Raton.

Parking lots that for years were packed with vehicles next to the Miami-Dade County Hall building and Metrorail tracks in downtown Miami are now empty, closed for coming construction of the train’s Miami station.

The shuttered parking lots and the new steel rails mark the first physical work on the future service since the ambitious project was announced in March 2012.

All Aboard Florida, as the project is called, is expected to begin operations in two phases: first between Miami and West Palm Beach in 2016 and then between West Palm Beach and Orlando in 2017.

Once in service, the train will travel the 235 mile route between Miami and Orlando – with stops at Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach — at an average speed of 78.3 mph. The maximum speed will be 125 mph.

It is not a bullet train or high-speed rail like the Train á Grande Vitesse (TGV) in France that resembles a rocket on rails. But the All Aboard Florida train is, nevertheless, a fast train with new technology, said Mike Reininger, the project’s president and chief development officer.

In a recent interview at his Coral Gables office, Reininger said the company has selected the type of train it will run on the Miami-Orlando track, but wouldn’t reveal specifics.

“We can hint at it by saying that with certainty it is going to be a state-of-the-art train that will be the most technologically advanced train of its type,” Reininger said. “It will be made in the USA and it will have the newest and highest emission standards built into the technology of the train as well.”

Once the train starts running, it will be the first time since the 1960s that a passenger train will operate on tracks that run along the eastern shore of Florida — a route originally laid down by railroad pioneer Henry Flagler in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

The Flagler railroad that stretched all the way to Key West eventually came to be known as Florida East Coast Railway (FEC), which now forms part of Florida East Coast Industries (FECI), the company developing All Aboard Florida.

The last time a regular passenger train operated on the rail tracks that run along Florida’s eastern shore was in 1968. The track remained in place, but it has since been used by cargo trains.

On May 29, 2010, Amtrak operated a special passenger train on those tracks between Miami and Jacksonville as a demonstration that passenger service could be revived. But it wasn’t until two years ago that FECI, the Coral Gables real estate and transportation company, announced All Aboard Florida.

“We are in the middle of a very important and exciting time,” Reininger said. “The focus is no longer on the planning, but has shifted to the execution.”

Originally slated for a 2014 debut, the service has been delayed by lengthy negotiations over right-of-way between Cocoa and Orlando. Those issues have been resolved, Reinger said.

The project has been plagued by controversy, including debate over whether Gov. Rick Scott’s administration is secretly assisting All Aboard Florida by funding infrastructure that will benefit the project. Critics cite $214 million in state money for construction of a transportation hub at Orlando International Airport — where All Aboard Florida will have a station — as evidence to support the claim.

“That’s not true at all,” said Reininger, who said the transport hub was planned before All Aboard Florida became a reality. “Long before there was such a thing as All Aboard Florida, there was a need for a long-term vision for the expansion of the Orlando International Airport.”

Concerns have also been raised about legislative approval earlier this year of $10 million for safety upgrades to railroad crossings known as quiet zones.

“All railroads are mandated by federal law to blow their horns as they approach intersections to warn the public of the oncoming train,” Reininger said. “The only way to alleviate the need to blow those horns by the railroads is by this process called quiet zones,” which incorporate safety measures at at-grade crossings.

Local municipalities must apply for the funds, which supplement a $60 million investment by All Aboard Florida at crossings between downtown Miami and downtown West Palm Beach, said Reininger. “We are working very closely with the Miami-Dade Metropolitan Planning Organization so the local governments can realize the benefit of quiet zones at the lowest possible cost, in the quickest possible time frame and the easiest possible process.”



^A view of the incomplete train lines at Yamato Road near North Dixie Highway in Boca Raton on Thursday, Aug. 21 2014. All Aboard Florida, has begun the upgraded of the new tracks in preparation for a forthcoming express passenger train service between Miami and Orlando. Executives in charge of the project say that this will be operating between Miami and West Palm Beach in 2016 and between West Palm Beach and Orlando 2017. DAVID SANTIAGO / EL NUEVO HERALD STAFF

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/08/2...#storylink=cpy
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2014, 1:42 PM
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The business sense is that FEC owns a lot of land around the planned stations including 9+ acres in the heart of downtown Miami which they plan to develop.
I understand that, but how exactly does the land become any more valuable for development with a train station in the middle than it is now? Can they build any higher? Do they think ultrarich Latin Americans will be more attracted to condos next to a train station than one next to the beach or in Coral Gables? Does it substantially change their position in the office leasing market if lawyers and accountants officed there can more easily make daytrips to Orlando?
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Perhaps the local government is upzoning the property to allow for more intensive development?
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I understand that, but how exactly does the land become any more valuable for development with a train station in the middle than it is now? Can they build any higher? Do they think ultrarich Latin Americans will be more attracted to condos next to a train station than one next to the beach or in Coral Gables? Does it substantially change their position in the office leasing market if lawyers and accountants officed there can more easily make daytrips to Orlando?
I really don't understand the following question from you ;" How exactly does the land become any more valuable for development with a train station in the middle than it is now?"
You have a major train station being built in the heart of downtown Miami & connected to Metrorail right across street.They plan to build several towers above the station including a 80 story office/hotel tower.



Any development is preferable to 9 acres of parking lots highlighted in red above. In addition look at all of the proposed projects such as the Convention center & hotel plus the huge Miami World Center project.

Another curious question from you is about "ultra rich Latin Americans" wanting to buy next to a train station". Do you think only wealthy Latin Americans are the ones buying condos in Miami?

A major new rail station in the heart of any major city is going to cause any land to become more valuable!
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it is the perfect location downtown.
that new shopping center is cool.
walking distance to the Miami Heat & concerts.

The AAF trains are nice / but add Tri-rail
when you add Tri-rail many more people will use it.
I like Tri-rail but am used to riding south out towards
the Metro-rail connecter and have been waiting for
the new MIA airport station.
but for a new generation of kids going downtown
will make much better sense.
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I understand that, but how exactly does the land become any more valuable for development with a train station in the middle than it is now? Can they build any higher? Do they think ultrarich Latin Americans will be more attracted to condos next to a train station than one next to the beach or in Coral Gables? Does it substantially change their position in the office leasing market if lawyers and accountants officed there can more easily make daytrips to Orlando?
It definitely adds value for hotels expecting tourists and retailers who crave foot traffic. The added value for office is more tenuous and it is virtually non-existent for residential.
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Miami economy has larger kinks to work out as far as expecting huge jump in office space.

This seems very nicely designed, especially with potential Miami Beach Baylink linking up with the whole system.

Still, they will have to have the right balance of transit and parking access cause from what I understand the west side of the area is totally car city and nothing else, same with Miami-Dade south of Kendal. Unless of course Metrorail goes on another expansion kick or something.
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I understand that, but how exactly does the land become any more valuable for development with a train station in the middle than it is now?
Is this actually a serious question?

Like you seriously don't know the answer already, just from sheer common sense?
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Miami economy has larger kinks to work out as far as expecting huge jump in office space.
This seems very nicely designed, especially with potential Miami Beach Baylink linking up with the whole system.
Still, they will have to have the right balance of transit and parking access cause from what I understand the west side of the area is totally car city and nothing else, same with Miami-Dade south of Kendal. Unless of course Metrorail goes on another expansion kick or something.
I disagree with everything you said except it being nicely designed.
the Miami economy has been so-so but is the capital of the world
even with LeBron gone. Miami airport has a state of the art car rental center.
about it being a car city have you been to Broward or Palm Beach County?
They don't have Metrorail or MetroMover.
Actually Fort Lauderdale is getting The Wave Train in 2017
Don't think the Miami Beach Baylink is gonna happen
but is a good idea
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Is this actually a serious question?

Like you seriously don't know the answer already, just from sheer common sense?
Jason? I tried to refrain from insulting the poster on the premise of how having a "fixed" rail system automatically raises land values !
Maybe he is here to learn?

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I disagree with everything you said except it being nicely designed.
the Miami economy has been so-so but is the capital of the world
even with LeBron gone. Miami airport has a state of the art car rental center.
about it being a car city have you been to Broward or Palm Beach County?
They don't have Metrorail or MetroMover.
Actually Fort Lauderdale is getting The Wave Train in 2017
Don't think the Miami Beach Baylink is gonna happen
but is a good idea
Easy tiger, I'm just going by testimony I have heard by others about Miami Dade as well as pictures.

If you compare large US metro areas to their European or East Asian counterparts, then yes they are car cities. Miami with it's post war road focused infrastructure development is no different.

Also new question, would this new rail corridor be able to actually allow Tri/Rail or AAF to service PortMiami if Royal Caribbean goes through with that big ass development plan of theirs? Cause that would concievably drive a lot of buisness (IE traffic) to the port.
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If you compare large US metro areas to their European or East Asian counterparts, then yes they are car cities. Miami with it's post war road focused infrastructure development is no different.

Also new question, would this new rail corridor be able to actually allow Tri/Rail or AAF to service PortMiami if Royal Caribbean goes through with that big ass development plan of theirs? Cause that would concievably drive a lot of buisness (IE traffic) to the port.
who thinks cars are going away , nobody ..
maybe less a little but not much , I jog/walk a lot
have to watch out for cars, 4-5 years ago a older lady hit me
while I was riding a bike, no injuries thou
BayLink or PortMiami are both good ideas
I thought Miami was going broke , who paid for that new port tunnel
or the new art & science museums and new park.
also the Marlins stadium and parking garages???
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Jason? I tried to refrain from insulting the poster on the premise of how having a "fixed" rail system automatically raises land values !
Maybe he is here to learn?

Look at his post history. He makes transit and development commentary all of the time.
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The MetroMover has been there for decades. The new amenity, which FEC is having to build at its own expense, is intercity rail that only serves other cities in Florida. So I can see some European or South American tourist families who are making a combo winter trip to Orlando and Miami Beach going through the new station, and I can see Miami-based accountants, marketing professionals, etc., making a few annual daytrips to Tampa or Orlando from there. But none of that seems to add sufficient increment to the rental prices FEC can get for new square footage. If they can build just as many square feet without running the rail service, and the rail service doesn't allow them to charge more for the space . . . . what's the business rationale for providing such an expensive amenity?
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It brings other people to the neighbourhood, which boost amenities (shopping, etc.), which in turn boosts residential property values. A bit more complex than that, but its sort of the general route.
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A given land area's capacity for development directly correlates to the capacity of the available transportation infrastructure. Further, a given site's commercial development potential directly correlates to the traffic passing by it. Logically, land value correlates to both.

Put something like a terminus of an intercity rail line adjacent to said land, and you have added both capacity and traffic.

Especially when you control all nodes of that intercity network, and can manipulate the network effect almost at will. (because FEC can give away tix if they see the transaction as a net positive for their bottom line.)
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How about Metrorail expansion? Will they consider it? Can we see more Metrorail service expansion?
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How about Metrorail expansion? Will they consider it? Can we see more Metrorail service expansion?
when do the new metrorail cars arrive ? soon I think....

good website for AAF news is - curbed Miami
it also links to exmiami.com
the article about the AAF downtown station has
very good pics/plans about the two levels of retail
and parking also the train platform level shows the 5 tracks.
the platform level is shared by AAF and TriRail.
also links to scribd.com show full size pics pdf
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Put something like a terminus of an intercity rail line adjacent to said land, and you have added both capacity and traffic.
But capacity isn't the limiting factor in US cities; demand is. FEC can build as much office and residential space as they can possibly lease right now, without a rail station.

As for traffic, remember that this is intercity rail. It won't bring any commuting workers to the site. A couple thousand folks arriving on the train platforms each day might support a Jamba Juice or a Starbucks, maybe a Hertz counter—but not any significant amount of retail.

Hotel uses are a little more related to an intercity station, but it's really hard to believe the South Florida hotel market would shift away from the beachfront. A 200-key Courtyard by Marriott might pencil out, but not one of the luxury flags.

I have to wonder if the whole AAF thing is just a Trojan horse so FEC can build a big grade-separated double- or triple-track connection to Port Miami for post-expansion Panama Canal containers without stirring up local opposition.
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