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[Acajack]

Just one example but there are literally countless others:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tes_and_Canada

The following is a list of the highest-grossing films in the United States and Canada, a market known in the film industry as the North American box office and the domestic box office

[edale]

Originally Posted by mhays

Pretty common in the US.

Sometimes we're talking continents. Other times it's "North America" and "Latin America."

Honestly, I've never heard "North America" and just thought of the US and Canada. The US is sandwiched between Mexico and Canada, and I always have thought of those three countries (plus the Caribbean) as North America. In Los Angeles, the connection to Mexico is obviously WAY stronger than it is to Canada. I believe you're in Seattle, right? Maybe that explains why you think North America = Canada + US is common. You're as close to Canada as I am to Mexico.

[jmecklenborg]

Originally Posted by Acajack

The US doesn't have this need, talks about their country as "America" all the time, and generally doesn't think about anyone else.

Many Americans live really close to Canada and basically never think about it.

Do Detroit or Buffalo have a "Canadian Influence"? No.

[Klippenstein]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Just one example but there are literally countless others:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tes_and_Canada

The following is a list of the highest-grossing films in the United States and Canada, a market known in the film industry as the North American box office and the domestic box office

The sources they cite for the use of "North American Box Office" are from Canada and Australia. I get your point though. In the US, we more likely just disappear the difference in our own way. Like in these instances we would just include Canada in "domestic" categories as is also mentioned on the wikipedia page... like with sports, beer (true for many mexican beers as well), box office figures. I can see why you wouldn't like that and it wouldn't make as much sense to say domestic.

At the same time, using NA in this way is a weird anglo-centric hold-over that is used in some specific contexts and IMO should definitely shift. I mean Mexico has 3 times the population of Canada.

Didn't mean to derail the whole thread though.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Klippenstein

The sources they cite for the use of "North American Box Office" are from Canada and Australia. I get your point though. In the US, we more likely just disappear the difference in our own way. Like in these instances we would just include Canada in "domestic" categories as is also mentioned on the wikipedia page... like with sports, beer (true for many mexican beers as well), box office figures. I can see why you wouldn't like that and it wouldn't make as much sense to say domestic.

At the same time, using NA in this way is a weird anglo-centric hold-over that is used in some specific contexts and IMO should definitely shift. I mean Mexico has 3 times the population of Canada.

Didn't mean to derail the whole thread though.

I think part of it is simply that we're often talking about instances where one might otherwise simply say "America" (meaning the US) but that what you're talking about is probably relevant to Canada too, so the word "North" is simply tacked onto the moniker to make it work.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by jmecklenborg

Do Detroit or Buffalo have a "Canadian Influence"?

i don't know buffalo well, but i know detroit definitely has some "canadian influence".

i first learned of the kids in the hall in the late '80s from the son of my parents' good friends who grew up in metro detroit.

he grew up watching TKITH on whichever Windsor TV station broadcasted them over the airwaves, not on HBO like the rest of us americans had to pay for to see them.



and i'd like to take a moment to simply thank canada for TKITH. so good! some of the best sketch comedy ever, IMO.

[Acajack]

This is all "North America", but it's not what most people have in mind when they hear the name:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuKc2N5lspw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4g2DwmnST4

Whereas this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slneP7K806c

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

i don't know buffalo well, but i know detroit definitely has some "canadian influence".

i first learned of the kids in the hall in the late '80s from the son of my parents' good friends who grew up in metro detroit.

he grew up watching TKITH on whichever Windsor TV station broadcasted them over the airwaves, not on HBO like the rest of us americans had to pay for to see them.



and i'd like to take a moment to simply thank canada for TKITH. so good! some of the best sketch comedy ever, IMO.

I think there is a modest amount of subtle Canadian influence in both Detroit and Buffalo, though I'd admit most residents don't think about Canada much, day in, day out.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by jmecklenborg

Do Detroit or Buffalo have a "Canadian Influence"? No.

I grew up watching Canadian children's shows (Mr. Dressup, Canadian Sesame Street, etc), because we received the CBC signals over the air in Metro Detroit.

[Buckeye Native 001]

Rush got their big US break via Cleveland radio station WMMS, so there's that...

[Northern Light]

Originally Posted by jmecklenborg

Many Americans live really close to Canada and basically never think about it.

Do Detroit or Buffalo have a "Canadian Influence"? No.

Incorrect.

There is substantial influence.

Buffalo and Detroit get all the cross-border radio stations, and often the over-the-air Canadian TV stations as well.

Notably this means many while many Canadian acts are huge in the U.S. (Drake, The Weekend, currently, and historically everyone from Celine Dion to Shania Twain)............

Many others never become household names in the U.S.; but they do in Buffalo and Detroit.

Likewise, Tim Horton's the iconic Canadian donut shop; has a large presence in those markets, even though, over-all its not big in the U.S.

The Buffalo PBS station actually identifies on air as Buffalo-Toronto with over 1/2 its member-revenue from Canadian viewers.

You can see the Canadian influence everywhere.

The economic relationship is huge; and for most Buffalo residents (and arguably those in Detroit), Toronto is the closest truly major City.

Canadians are also a material portion of the student body in Buffalo/Detroit Unis........ Canadian (Ontarian) gov't student aid is even extended to many students in those U.S. School. Meanwhile, large numbers of Buffalo residents also study in Canada (less common in the Detroit area, with only a much smaller Canadian Uni nearby).

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The issue w/the Canadian influence mind you is how it drops off precipitously as you move away from the immediate border area.

What a Detroit resident might recognize about Canada does not apply to Kalamazoo.

[Klippenstein]

Originally Posted by Acajack

This is all "North America", but it's not what most people have in mind when they hear the name:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuKc2N5lspw

Oaxaca is a gem.

[JManc]

Originally Posted by jmecklenborg

Many Americans live really close to Canada and basically never think about it.

Do Detroit or Buffalo have a "Canadian Influence"? No.

I'm from Utica (NY) and Canada loomed large like a giant plate of poutine. They were as much as an influence as NYC.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by JManc

I'm from Utica (NY) and Canada loomed large like a giant plate of poutine. They were as much as an influence as NYC.

Ah oui?

[Doady]

The Tragically Hip are extremely popular in Buffalo, before their singer died they were playing in arenas and big festivals there, but unknown in the rest of the US.

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You can also see a mural on a building in Buffalo of Gord Downie, singer of The Tragically Hip.

[Innsertnamehere]

Before the pandemic it seemed like half the plates on the QEW toward Niagara were New York plates. Toronto definitely looms large over Buffalo.

[Nite]

Nevermind